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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #135 on: November 06, 2012, 04:55:45 AM »
Something to worried about: MFD 200mm, lens lenght at 70 is 124mm so MFD to the front of the lens = 30-40mm so shoot only static or dead subjects :D

It's indeed a fact that the best macro shots are taken of frozen, bound, stunned, paralyzed or simply dead animals :-\ ... and much easier to get a "natural" background w/o distracting objects if your subject doesn't decide to flee.

I don't see the 24-70/4 as a 100% replacement for a macro lens, for shooting live animals you will need a longer focal length like 100mm on crop, 180mm on ff or a tc. But the new zoom should be sufficient for the occasional close-up while traveling which is a big plus.

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #135 on: November 06, 2012, 04:55:45 AM »

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #136 on: November 06, 2012, 04:59:53 AM »
What the point of having a 24-70 4L IS AND 24-105 4L IS in the line-up? Isn't it a no-brainer to just get the 105?
Wouldn't be a no-brainer thinking the 24-70 f/4 would have better optic quality than an older lens?  Sorry if I sound sarcastic, but it is the truth.  And most people wouldn't need the extra reach.
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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #137 on: November 06, 2012, 06:29:16 AM »
. And The hybrid IS will shine on the standard zoom since it's wasted on real macro lenses like the 100L - the IS is nearly useless at very close distances..
Why is it wasted?  Because you do not use it?
I was very skeptical of the hybrid IS on the 100L, but when I found I could handhold very close images with the lens, it is certainly a worthwhile feature.
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I still don't think so - and esp. posting a (downsized? cropped?) "good" shot doesn't mean anything. I could do the the same with old shots from my non-L macro - so what?

I'm using the IS all the time of course, but IS is all about *statistics* and a better keeper rate. If someone posts a picture and writes "just point and shoot with IS and this is what you get" this simply isn't true - you might have been very, very lucky, but in (my) real life IS raises the keeper rate esp. at medium range (like a full butterfly), but 1:1 handheld sharp shots @100% crop and lower exposure time still need a lot of exposures to get a good one. Coming from the 100 non-L, I don't see a significant improvement in these cases.

The one thing IS does help (except dual-use as a portrait lens) with is exactly what Canon states: IS on macro is for stable composing & setting the focus pane, not for getting much longer exposure times. So IS is not really "wasted" as I wrote above, but it doesn't magically axe your exposure time at macro distances, but it'll be great on the non-1:1 24-70/4:

In macro photography, shift camera shake and angle camera shake affect both the image formed on the sensor and the image shown in the viewfinder. This is especially relevant to handheld shooting at 1x, since the inability to properly compose and focus due to a shaky image in the viewfinder makes it extremely difficult to record sharp images.

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #138 on: November 06, 2012, 06:41:30 AM »
Sure are a lot of assumptions of what lens will come with the 6D. I'm pretty sure it will not be an L designation. Any focal length L offered by Canon for a general use lens is too high priced for a 6D to not get into 5D3 territory. The exception would be the 24-105. And doing that would simply shoot sale of the new  24-70 f/4 L lens in the foot. Has Canon ever kitted an 'outgoing' lens with a new body?

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #139 on: November 06, 2012, 06:48:06 AM »
What the point of having a 24-70 4L IS AND 24-105 4L IS in the line-up? Isn't it a no-brainer to just get the 105?
Wouldn't be a no-brainer thinking the 24-70 f/4 would have better optic quality than an older lens?  Sorry if I sound sarcastic, but it is the truth.  And most people wouldn't need the extra reach.

Who are 'most people'?  Maybe you. Not me.
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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #140 on: November 06, 2012, 06:57:59 AM »
Sure are a lot of assumptions of what lens will come with the 6D. I'm pretty sure it will not be an L designation. Any focal length L offered by Canon for a general use lens is too high priced for a 6D to not get into 5D3 territory. The exception would be the 24-105. And doing that would simply shoot sale of the new  24-70 f/4 L lens in the foot. Has Canon ever kitted an 'outgoing' lens with a new body?

Amazon.jp is taking pre-orders of the 6D with and without the 24-105L, so will they offer a choice of two lenses when the 24-70 f4 is released? How will that work then since the 24-105 kit will be much cheaper? Interesting! ???

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« Reply #141 on: November 06, 2012, 07:13:32 AM »
well,
2.300 $ - 24-70L II, f 2.8 (no IS)
1.500 $ - 24-70L Is, f 4.0
900 $ - 35mm, f 2.0 (non L)

that´s competion for leica. pricewise.

i´ve got a couple of canon lenses. seems that i have to change my route...

I was thinking the same - if 35/2(which should be good budget prime) goes to 900$ I don't wanna know the price of new 100-400 or 400 5.6 IS.

Thank you Canon  :o

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« Reply #141 on: November 06, 2012, 07:13:32 AM »

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #142 on: November 06, 2012, 07:58:40 AM »
I remember everyone thought I was crazy for calling the 24-70 f4L DOA.

Well, for 1500$ I consider that DOA.
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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #143 on: November 06, 2012, 08:18:13 AM »
I remember everyone though I was crazy for calling the 24-70 f4L DOA.

Well, for 1500$ I consider that DOA.
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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #144 on: November 06, 2012, 09:26:24 AM »
I guess Canon will not learn anything about competitive pricing until Nikon and Sony get a juicy bite from their market share.

Also lately Canon seems to be trying to defend by countering Nikon's announcements more and more, only with what appears to be higher price tags and less value offerings...  ::)

How many were actually expecting this 24-70 f/4 prior to the 14-24 f/2.8, the new 100-400 or even the 200-400?

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #145 on: November 06, 2012, 09:47:30 AM »
Canon continues to dig into its own hole.  Everything they've introduced in the past year or so has either been uninspired or overpriced with the exception of the 40mm pancake.  I can see them falling into third place behind Nikon and Sony in a couple of years.

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #146 on: November 06, 2012, 10:26:56 AM »
so will they offer a choice of two lenses when the 24-70 f4 is released? How will that work then since the 24-105 kit will be much cheaper?

The 24-105 kits will be just there as long as they've sold all old lenses and the new 24-70 are in volume production.

And the 6d+24-70/4 kit might not be more expensive, the price for the lens alone is likely to be overpriced because Canon wants to make the kit appear more discounted and attractive - otherwise the 6d is sure to loose big time against the d600.

I can see them falling into third place behind Nikon and Sony in a couple of years.

As soon as their strategy appears even non-working to Canon shareholders, they'll come around and fire their executives and revise their pricing. The only ones sure to loose are the customers paying the current high prices until Canon realizes this won't work forever.

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #147 on: November 06, 2012, 11:57:47 AM »
I remember everyone thought I was crazy for calling the 24-70 f4L DOA.

Well, for 1500$ I consider that DOA.

And I had agreed with you.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10597.msg189704#msg189704

Unfortunatelly I was wrong about this rumor being CR0  :(

It seems that Canon spends valuable resources for nonsense...

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« Reply #147 on: November 06, 2012, 11:57:47 AM »

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« Reply #148 on: November 06, 2012, 01:18:49 PM »
so will they offer a choice of two lenses when the 24-70 f4 is released? How will that work then since the 24-105 kit will be much cheaper?

The 24-105 kits will be just there as long as they've sold all old lenses and the new 24-70 are in volume production.

And the 6d+24-70/4 kit might not be more expensive, the price for the lens alone is likely to be overpriced because Canon wants to make the kit appear more discounted and attractive - otherwise the 6d is sure to loose big time against the d600.

I can see them falling into third place behind Nikon and Sony in a couple of years.

As soon as their strategy appears even non-working to Canon shareholders, they'll come around and fire their executives and revise their pricing. The only ones sure to loose are the customers paying the current high prices until Canon realizes this won't work forever.

I agree the pricing is unreasonable on the 24-70, but people in many cases are paying for it -- Canon thinks that these are the prices the market will bear.  Hell, the EOS-M was #3 on Amazon's best seller list despite a high price + years late to the mirrorless market + numerous reviews panning it for having a glacially slow AF system. 

I know their sales numbers on aggregate haven't been stellar, but in general, the company wouldn't be here very long if it couldn't course correct as needed.

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #149 on: November 06, 2012, 01:22:51 PM »
I know their sales numbers on aggregate haven't been stellar, but in general, the company wouldn't be here very long if it couldn't course correct as needed.

And then there is Kodak....  ::)


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« Reply #149 on: November 06, 2012, 01:22:51 PM »