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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2012, 10:49:35 AM »
The 24-105 is a victim of it's own succes. Far too economic! Canon will put and end to that!
My guess is 24-105 will be replaced with a 24-120 f4 or f3.5-5.6 in a year or two.

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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2012, 10:53:28 AM »
Here's a comparison at 70mm f/4 of the 24-105 and 70-200 f/4 L IS. Gimme that kind of quality across the 24-70 range and I would gladly trade the extra 35mm of reach.

http://the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=355&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=0&LensComp=404&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2012, 11:13:34 AM »
Another voice for renting the 24-105. I have had a hard time fighting for a decision
about buying either the EF 2.8/24-70 L OR the EF 4.0/24-105 IS L.
I rented both several times, and sort of hated both.

The 24-70 had no IS, not enough reach on the long end and the bigger diameter
made it harder to handle. Also, the rented sample was badly decentered one time.

The 24-105 had the reach, had IS, was nicer to handle, was more compact.
But it didn't offer the max aperture, and was badly prone to suffer from backlight.

In the end handling, reach and IS were the key reasons to finally buy the 24-105.
With a grumpy feeling about the lack of speed and the weak backlight performance.

So.... without the reach I am not a fan of the 4.0/24-70. I would have preferred a
2.8/24-70 with IS. Also I think that my next 35mm will be the Samyang/Rokinon
T1.5/35mm rather than the new 2.0/35mm.


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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2012, 11:16:17 AM »
I have a C70-200 f / 4 L IS which is very sharp even at 18mpx APS-C and the new 24-70 f / 4 L IS will be as sharp as the 70-200 it will be very interesting option.
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2012, 11:23:42 AM »
Pricing at $850 for the 24-70 f4 is wishful thinking....  ::)

This thing might be closer to $1700.

Have you guys not seen recent Lens pricing? They want to make more money and the 24-105 is perhaps their best selling EF lens... if they can migrate the users to a 2x priced 24-70 F4L then they will do it. The new lens should have better resolution and contrast compared to the 24-105 which would remain as the budget general purpose till it disappears or becomes the replacement for the 28-135mm

"Eventually" the price of the 24-70 F4L may drop a bit, but not for a while...   They will Milk it!
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2012, 11:27:27 AM »
I guess I'll pass with both of these... My 24-105L is my primary workhorse for studio shoots and the extra 35mm saves me a TON of time unless I work with two bodies. On 7D the 24-105 is pretty much everything I need for most of my studio work flow. I would also miss the extra 35mm for my "walk-arounds". I would, however, consider an upgraded MKII of the 24-105L - that would be a logical upgrade (for me). These days 24-105L can be had for less than $800. I wonder what kind of price Canon will put on the new 24-70 to make it attractive.

I'm happy with the 35L I have, so the new 35 2.0 is not really attractive for me... Again, it'll be interesting to see the price tag.

However, if priced right (compared to existing 24-105L and 35L), these two lenses could get a lot of interest from those who are just getting into the L territory along with 6D purchase.
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2012, 11:28:02 AM »
I'd love if Canon made a 24-105/2,8L IS... I think I would even pay 3k for it...
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2012, 11:31:30 AM »
BTW... the 35/2 IS sounds nice... only depends on the price tag. Since I am not too happy with my Sigma 30/1,4 this could become my lightweight Crop-"50mm" lens - the 35/1,4L is way too bulky
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2012, 11:55:29 AM »
I like the 24-105 f4, although I think it completely makes sense that they transition to the 24-70 focal length as the standard.  I use mainly primes... don't own a 24-70 i or ii.  But it makes a more solid case for owning BOTH a 24-70 AND 70-200, I think.  Like someone mentioned earlier, it would make more sense that Canon would focus on a 4-lens lineup at this focal range to match the 70-200 options. 

Also... for a 24-105 to be f2.8 (with IS), wouldnt it have to be like twice the size???  probably a white lens..
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2012, 12:07:14 PM »
I'd be curious to see how the new 35/2 compares with the current 35L in terms of IQ at f/2 and higher. It's already significantly smaller, lighter and has IS (with loss of 1 stop). Since the 35L has no weather sealing/is not significantly better built its only advantage would be the 1.4 (a very good one, as I love the look). Because of this I'd assume the 35L is due for an update soon at a price point probably closer to $2k...

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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2012, 12:21:46 PM »
Amen, finally a replacement to the embarrassing prehistoric EF 35mm.
I'm very glad Canon is updating the 35/2!  This update is long overdue.  It will be wonderful to have a small, quiet, high-quality 35 — I'm assuming it will be high quality.  I hope the 50/1.4 is next on the list of updates.

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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2012, 12:49:17 PM »
At first when I saw the 24-70 f/4L rumor it made no sense to me with a very good 24-105 f/4L in the lineup.  Who would buy a lens that is basically the same as an existing lens but with a shorter focal length?

After reading some of the posts in this thread, I can see the value of the 24-70 f/4 IS.  The close MFD, near macro capabilities, size & weight, and better optics.  Fair enough.

However, it seems everyone is just accepting as fact that Canon will discontinue the 24-105 f/4 IS - but no one is giving any logical reason for this except canon wants to replace it with something more expensive.  I don't see it as a replacement to the 24-105 f/4, so I'm not buying it.  If Canon wanted to bump up the price of the kit lens they could introduce a mark II of the 24-105 f/4L and price it up a few hundred dollars.

I do not agree that Canon will discontinue the 24-105 f/4 because they introduce the 24-70 f/4.
- Canon has proven they are willing to keep lenses in the line up for decades.  The 24-105 is a great lens and has a lot of life left in it just as it is.  They may choose to leave it as is for a while.  That is different than discontinuing it.

- Canon has no problem with maintaining 4 versions of the 70-200 in the lineup, and 3 versions of the 50mm.  Similar lenses that have differences & different price points can all co-exist.

- Canon needs afordable quality lenses in their line up - much of the L line up is getting out of reach price-wise for a big part of the market.  The 24-105 f/4L is a great value at a price point that is starting to appear "affordable" vs. the rest of the L lineup.

- We don't know pricing yet, but it is likely that the price of the 24-70 f/4L will be several hundred dollars above the 24-105 f/4L if Canon follows recent pricing practices.

Perhaps the L Kit lens becomes the 24-70 f/4L and replaces the 24-105 f/4L.

I haven't heard a convincing argument for Canon to discontinue the 24-105L.  Maybe Craig has inside info he can't share.  Or perhaps someone here can provide some logical reasons for the 24-105L to go away?
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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2012, 01:00:42 PM »
in another thread, http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10710.msg191905#msg191905, it has been suggested that the Yen price of the 24-70 f/4  translates to some $/€1700-1800. If that's true, a 24-105 below $/€ 1000 would not be good for the milk business...

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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2012, 01:25:40 PM »
Canon has no problem with maintaining 4 versions of the 70-200 in the lineup, and 3 versions of the 50mm.  Similar lenses that have differences & different price points can all co-exist.
I agree, I don't think they will discontinue the 24-105/4L, especially if the new 24-70/4L is more expensive.  They actually offer 4 versions of the 50mm if you count the 50/2.5 compact macro.

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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2012, 03:03:06 PM »
This is what I feel about 24-70 F4 IS.

Unlike the existing 24-105 F4IS, 24-70 F4 IS should have an internal focusing system.  If it does, then it makes a good choice over 24-105.

Existing 24-105 does not have an internal focusing system making it difficult to use with polarizer and it is aways possible to change the focal point while you adjust the polarizer.

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Re: Opinion: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
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