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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2012, 09:51:46 AM »
So basically Canon discontinued the 24-70 F2.8 MKI and replaced it with a model twice the price and then brought out an F4 at roughly the same price point as the old F2.8.

Ridiculous. The Second hand market is the place to be atm, I will be trying to pick up a 24-70 MKI.

So you lose 1 stop by going from f2.8-f4 and then gain up to four stops with the hybrid IS. For handheld video in particular that is potentially a trade-off well worth making. Especially when you consider the high iso performance of the 5diii.

That the lens is almost a macro lens too makes it an interesting proposition. Particularly for run and gun documentary shooting where changing lens can be a right pain, having a lens with excellent stabilisation and which covers wide - short tele and macro could be very tempting.

It would be nice if the lens was cheaper, but for a lot of people it would replace buying the the 24-105 and and 100 non-L which makes it seem more reasonable

I agree. I like it quite much. But the price discouraged me absolutelly.
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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2012, 09:51:46 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2012, 09:55:59 AM »
I realise that prior to this not many here were crying out for a 24-70 f4.

Not many?  Were there any?   ::)
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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2012, 10:16:59 AM »
I realise that prior to this not many here were crying out for a 24-70 f4.

Not many?  Were there any?   ::)

Ok.... I was being diplomatic..... I try to be!  ;)
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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2012, 10:52:53 AM »
I realise that prior to this not many here were crying out for a 24-70 f4.

Not many?  Were there any?   ::)

Ok.... I was being diplomatic..... I try to be!  ;)

Maybe not crying, but ..
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=9767.msg176647#msg176647

Did anyone ask for a 40mm pancake? We'll take what they give us and LIKE IT!
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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2012, 11:06:46 AM »
I realise that prior to this not many here were crying out for a 24-70 f4.

Not many?  Were there any?   ::)

Ok.... I was being diplomatic..... I try to be!  ;)

Maybe not crying, but ..
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=9767.msg176647#msg176647
Did anyone ask for a 40mm pancake - we'll take what they give us and LIKE IT!

Indeed, the only problem is there was mention of 'affordable' in that thread, something that the new 24-70 f4 certainly isn't!  :P
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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2012, 11:11:06 AM »
I realise that prior to this not many here were crying out for a 24-70 f4.

Not many?  Were there any?   ::)

Ok.... I was being diplomatic..... I try to be!  ;)

Maybe not crying, but ..
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=9767.msg176647#msg176647
Did anyone ask for a 40mm pancake - we'll take what they give us and LIKE IT!

Indeed, the only problem is there was mention of 'affordable' in that thread, something that the new 24-70 f4 certainly isn't!  :P

Good point!  I'm surprised there was no IS STM on the 8-15mm?

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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2012, 11:17:07 AM »
I realise that prior to this not many here were crying out for a 24-70 f4.

Not many?  Were there any?   ::)

Ok.... I was being diplomatic..... I try to be!  ;)

Maybe not crying, but ..
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=9767.msg176647#msg176647
Did anyone ask for a 40mm pancake - we'll take what they give us and LIKE IT!

Indeed, the only problem is there was mention of 'affordable' in that thread, something that the new 24-70 f4 certainly isn't!  :P

Good point!  I'm surprised there was no IS STM on the 8-15mm?
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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
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« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2012, 11:29:12 AM »
Is there any way to get the MTF charts for these lenses at the moment?

It's up on canon usa

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_70mm_f_4l_is_usm


And here is a quick link to the 24-105 for comparison:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_4l_is_usm

The new lens does look a bit better, although at the tele end the comparsion is between 105 and 70.

And if you care to take a peek at the competition: it appears to blow the nikkor kit lens out of the water:

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Camera-Lenses/2204/AF-S-NIKKOR-24-85mm-f%252F3.5-4.5G-ED-VR.html#!

...just going by mtf's, anyway.  But at the price it should.

I'm sure Canon's 24-70mm will beat Nikon's 24-85mm.

1500$ versus 600$, would be a shame if id doesn't.

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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2012, 11:43:29 AM »
$850 for a 35 f/2? Really?

The Zeiss 35mm f/2 is $1100+ and lacks IS.  If this thing performs as well as that I'd say it's a great deal.  I think it'll be popular with APS-C video shooters.
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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2012, 12:22:15 PM »
I LOVE my 24-105L - best general zoom I have ever had (and quite sharp, even on corners).  It is hard to imagine anyone choosing the new 24-70 over this one, unless the new one was a lot cheaper, which of course it is not. 

Except the new 24-70 is almost a macro (0.7x) lens. Which for many people makes it a more versatile lens than the extra reach. 105mm doesn't mean you don't need a tele lens. 0.7x magnification and hybrid IS does mean that many people wont have to buy/carry around a separate macro lens.

Also, with the new high ISO capabilities of modern DSLR's, image stabilization is not as necessary a feature as it once was.  Sure it is nice, but you can get by. 

IS is really useful for video. The hybrid IS system apparently is far better than the IS system found on the 24-105mm or the Tamron 24-70.

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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2012, 12:28:36 PM »
The 24-70 f/4 IS is for $1,500 while the 24-70 f/2.8 II non IS is for $2,300. Wonder what would be the price of the 24-70 f/2.8 IS if such a lens were to ever be produced by Canon?

BTW I don't think Canon would be expecting too many 24-105 users to ditch their existing lens for the 24-70 f/4 and if this is not the kit lens with the 6D / 5DM3 then who will buy it? I'm sure I'm missing something 'cause Canon's marketing geniuses must have done their research!

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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2012, 03:43:40 PM »
When the rumor piped up for the 24-70mm f/4L at $899, I was definitely interested . . . excited even!  At $1500, I'll continue to save up for the 2.8L.  If kit rejects [white boxes] hit the market at around $900, then I'll take another look, especially if the performance is a good as the MTF charts suggest.

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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2012, 03:51:21 PM »
I'm excited that Canon is making better lenses than ever.  Of course, better lenses cost more.  We can have cheap or good, but not both.

Also, people seem to forget that these are introductory prices — these lenses will likely be 10-15% cheaper within a year.

Except you seem to forget that Canon has now introduced MAP. That means unless Canon says the price drops, it will not drop. Just how often does Canon announce a price drop of a piece of equipment? Hmm, well, the 5D Mark II price dropped a lot once the 5D Mark III was out and there were a couple of other 5D Mark II price drops earlier on. But I can't for the life of me recall a single price drop of a lens. Price increase, yes.

Lens prices do drop.  The new 24mm/2.8 IS was $849 when introduced; it is $669 right now (with instant rebate) less than a year after introduction.  The new 28mm/2.8 IS has also dropped.  The 100mm/2.8L IS was $1,050 back in 2009; it is $899 right now.  The 70-200mm/4L IS was $1,280 in Sept. 2011; it is $1,099 right now.   Other lenses have gone up over time, like the 85mm/1.2L II and the 35mm/1.4L. 

Apart from instant rebates, there is typically no announcement of a price drop.  But if you make a note of lens prices, there are some noticeable drops now and then.  Even before the current instant rebates, the new 24 and 28mm/2.8 IS lenses had dropped about $50 from their introductory prices.  The same for other gear like camera batteries, flashes, grips, etc.  The 600EX flash was introduced at $629; it dropped by $30 or $40 within a few months of introduction and is $569 with the instant rebate now.  The 5DII dropped a great deal (33%) over time.  The 5DIII price has dropped about $200 recently, more at some sellers. 

So I feel that price drops for new gear are somewhat predictable with time, though never certain.  The people who are shocked by the introductory price may not buy right away, but they may buy a year later when the price drops.  Those who have an immediate need for the new item will pay the higher price and consider the premium as a "rental" cost of getting the new gear sooner.

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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2012, 07:28:48 PM »
I'm excited that Canon is making better lenses than ever.  Of course, better lenses cost more.  We can have cheap or good, but not both.

Also, people seem to forget that these are introductory prices — these lenses will likely be 10-15% cheaper within a year.

Except you seem to forget that Canon has now introduced MAP. That means unless Canon says the price drops, it will not drop. Just how often does Canon announce a price drop of a piece of equipment? Hmm, well, the 5D Mark II price dropped a lot once the 5D Mark III was out and there were a couple of other 5D Mark II price drops earlier on. But I can't for the life of me recall a single price drop of a lens. Price increase, yes.
it seems canon is setting the initial price much higher for new products now. I think (my opinion) the 3 new non-L primes are overpriced by $200 or so.  when the prices come down then I will buy but not before. I got burned on the 5DIII because I bought early. I appreciate the upgrades and willing to pay for- upgraded AF system, USM, IS, build quality etc. but this pricing policy is resulting in sharp price drops early which is a change from older equip coming down in price slowly(or slower). I bought 3 bodies as soon as they came out XTi, 50D and 5DMkIII. the 5D dropped like a rock which I have nobody to blame but myself for that. that won't happen again. I still feel that the 5DMkIII is the camera that I wanted for a long time and I'm not disappointed but I'm waiting for prices to settle before buying anything new in the future.

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Re: Canon Makes the EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Official
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2012, 03:30:55 AM »
I'm excited that Canon is making better lenses than ever.  Of course, better lenses cost more.  We can have cheap or good, but not both.

Also, people seem to forget that these are introductory prices — these lenses will likely be 10-15% cheaper within a year.

Except you seem to forget that Canon has now introduced MAP. That means unless Canon says the price drops, it will not drop. Just how often does Canon announce a price drop of a piece of equipment? Hmm, well, the 5D Mark II price dropped a lot once the 5D Mark III was out and there were a couple of other 5D Mark II price drops earlier on. But I can't for the life of me recall a single price drop of a lens. Price increase, yes.
it seems canon is setting the initial price much higher for new products now. I think (my opinion) the 3 new non-L primes are overpriced by $200 or so.  when the prices come down then I will buy but not before. I got burned on the 5DIII because I bought early. I appreciate the upgrades and willing to pay for- upgraded AF system, USM, IS, build quality etc. but this pricing policy is resulting in sharp price drops early which is a change from older equip coming down in price slowly(or slower). I bought 3 bodies as soon as they came out XTi, 50D and 5DMkIII. the 5D dropped like a rock which I have nobody to blame but myself for that. that won't happen again. I still feel that the 5DMkIII is the camera that I wanted for a long time and I'm not disappointed but I'm waiting for prices to settle before buying anything new in the future.

As the previous poster mentioned, Canon has now introduced MAP. Maybe you will wait long  :-\

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