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Re: Nikon unveils 24.1MP D5200 DSLR with optional WiFi
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 08:59:22 AM »
Canon is acting quite a bit like Kodak lately.

Unable to innovate, don't want to innovate, stubborn, hard-headed, doesn't listen to customers/users?

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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2012, 09:13:22 AM »
Canon is acting quite a bit like Kodak lately.

Unable to innovate, don't want to innovate, stubborn, hard-headed, doesn't listen to customers/users?

So the new AF in the 5D3 is not listening to Canon 5D2 owners??

So IS becoming standard on even short-focal length primes as well as the new 24-70 standard zoom is not listening to customers??

Canon is listening to customers, they're just not listening to the vocal minority ???

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2012, 09:16:37 AM »
It is perfectly normal for manufacturers to leap-frog each other in the tech stakes. Canon was way ahead of Nikon in the MP stakes for years, and Nikon was slightly ahead in the ISO stakes. Now Canon has leap-frogged the Nikon D4 and D800 in terms of ISO performance with the 1DX and the 5D3...meanwhile Nikon has the 24MP Sony Exmor sensor....
....competition is healthy, it is a good thing and Canon will up the game in 2013, and no they're not Kodak, they're not going to cling to old tech forever.


edit: MS are pricing the new Surface tablet @ same price as new iPad but with 32GB instead of 16GB and larger screen
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Re: Nikon unveils 24.1MP D5200 DSLR with optional WiFi
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2012, 09:27:42 AM »
Canon is acting quite a bit like Kodak lately.

Unable to innovate, don't want to innovate, stubborn, hard-headed, doesn't listen to customers/users?

So the new AF in the 5D3 is not listening to Canon 5D2 owners??

So IS becoming standard on even short-focal length primes as well as the new 24-70 standard zoom is not listening to customers??

Canon is listening to customers, they're just not listening to the vocal minority ???

Who asked for IS on short-focal length primes.  If anything I'd say most people wanted internal zoom and IS on the 24-70.  I still bought one anyway.

Honestly the DR thing nobody really wasn't even on most people's radar until the D800 came out so I can forgive them on that.

What I would be interested in is a new

14-24
updated zoom: 16-35 L II
updated primes 35, 50 (1.2L or 1.4) and 85 mm L lenses
make 5D/1D series bodies all have WiFi/GPS/ Radio Flash Trigger built in
stop crippling video output
prices that are not out of whack

In the Future a high MP high DR sensor.

The last thing that got me really excited was the 200-400 1.4TC lens which I would like to own someday.
5D III | 24-70 II| 50 1.4| 70-200 2.8 IS II| 600 EX-RTx4| EF 2.0X III

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Re: Nikon unveils 24.1MP D5200 DSLR with optional WiFi
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2012, 09:29:55 AM »
Canon is listening to customers, they're just not listening to the vocal minority ???

+1

The thing is, the people on the forum are not, generally speaking, Canon's major target audience.
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Re: Nikon unveils 24.1MP D5200 DSLR with optional WiFi
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2012, 09:38:02 AM »
I don't know who are their customers or what they care about. Looking at their sales numbers, they don't have a clue either.

Now, about the D5200:
* 720 GBP is exactly what the 60D is selling for at amazon.co.uk, so expect US price to be around $900
* 1080 video at 50 and 60 fps is interlaced, so please forget about those frame rates; from the spec list, this camera shoots 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30, 720p50, 720p60

("interlaced" is not video, it's just a tool for torturing my poor soul)
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2012, 09:41:01 AM »
I must sayin was impressed seriously with the 5d3, the only thing I didn't like because the 5d2 was better was IQ.. people needed to really try to say the 5d3 had better IQ! But it has marginal better color, and less sharp, same res, same noise under 1600 and less DR. I'mpI'm pretty sure everybody expected and iq upgrade like the one from 5dc to 5d2...

The got ONE camera right since way back, the 1dx. They need to make better lower priced cameras to compete at all the  next five years. They may keep a lot of customers but won't get any new ones...
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2012, 09:42:38 AM »
Canon is acting quite a bit like Kodak lately.

Unable to innovate, don't want to innovate, stubborn, hard-headed, doesn't listen to customers/users?

So the new AF in the 5D3 is not listening to Canon 5D2 owners??

So IS becoming standard on even short-focal length primes as well as the new 24-70 standard zoom is not listening to customers??

Canon is listening to customers, they're just not listening to the vocal minority ???

Who asked for IS on short-focal length primes.  If anything I'd say most people wanted internal zoom and IS on the 24-70.  I still bought one anyway.

Honestly the DR thing nobody really wasn't even on most people's radar until the D800 came out so I can forgive them on that.

What I would be interested in is a new

14-24
updated zoom: 16-35 L II
updated primes 35, 50 (1.2L or 1.4) and 85 mm L lenses
make 5D/1D series bodies all have WiFi/GPS/ Radio Flash Trigger built in
stop crippling video output
prices that are not out of whack

In the Future a high MP high DR sensor.

The last thing that got me really excited was the 200-400 1.4TC lens which I would like to own someday.

Who asked? Easy question. Answer: videographers - you know those guys who purchased the 5D2 and made it a global HD video phenomenon (+ millions of buyers who purchase Rebels to shoot 1080p HD video).

Canon have to cater for the masses not the vocal minority on CR.

Price you say are out of whack...well for the last half a dozen years the DSLR/Lens market has doubled (literally) so it was a 'volume' market, but now retail sales are suffering globally for non-essential items, so Canon has to react by protecting 'margins' and if necessary sell fewer goods albeit at a lightly higher price...OR be like Nikon and go for market share and see sales up but profits down (check their last quarter results).

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2012, 09:43:27 AM »
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Who asked for IS on short-focal length primes.  If anything I'd say most people wanted internal zoom and IS on the 24-70.  I still bought one anyway.

Honestly the DR thing nobody really wasn't even on most people's radar until the D800 came out so I can forgive them on that.

What I would be interested in is a new

14-24
updated zoom: 16-35 L II
updated primes 35, 50 (1.2L or 1.4) and 85 mm L lenses
make 5D/1D series bodies all have WiFi/GPS/ Radio Flash Trigger built in
stop crippling video output
prices that are not out of whack

In the Future a high MP high DR sensor.

The last thing that got me really excited was the 200-400 1.4TC lens which I would like to own someday.

wow. 50 1.2 is'nt old and works great, 16-35 II is already out and is also a great lens, 35 1.4L is also a good lens, 85 1.2 II is great. Wifi/GPS in a pro body? everybody complains about them in the 6D, but yeah i think that would be nice. I'd say canon is still top with the video quality.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2012, 09:45:04 AM »
("interlaced" is not video, it's just a tool for torturing my poor soul)

I thought it was something to do with shoes, actually.   :o
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Re: Nikon unveils 24.1MP D5200 DSLR with optional WiFi
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2012, 09:55:02 AM »
When the 18nm whatnot process comes out, Canon will blast Nikon out of the water... again...
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2012, 09:59:06 AM »
i still think the 650d has the better af. All cross type spread throughout.

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Re: Nikon unveils 24.1MP D5200 DSLR with optional WiFi
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2012, 09:59:29 AM »
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Who asked for IS on short-focal length primes.  If anything I'd say most people wanted internal zoom and IS on the 24-70.  I still bought one anyway.

Honestly the DR thing nobody really wasn't even on most people's radar until the D800 came out so I can forgive them on that.

What I would be interested in is a new

14-24
updated zoom: 16-35 L II
updated primes 35, 50 (1.2L or 1.4) and 85 mm L lenses
make 5D/1D series bodies all have WiFi/GPS/ Radio Flash Trigger built in
stop crippling video output
prices that are not out of whack

In the Future a high MP high DR sensor.

The last thing that got me really excited was the 200-400 1.4TC lens which I would like to own someday.

wow. 50 1.2 is'nt old and works great, 16-35 II is already out and is also a great lens, 35 1.4L is also a good lens, 85 1.2 II is great. Wifi/GPS in a pro body? everybody complains about them in the 6D, but yeah i think that would be nice. I'd say canon is still top with the video quality.



50 1.2 is not that sharp wide open and focus is somewhat spotty  I have not tried since I got my 5D III though

85 1.2 slow to focus last updated 2003

16-35II and 35 1.4 is a good lenses I agree but can definitely be improved with better corner sharpness/ sharpness wide open and I would love to have seen them updated before adding a 24-70 F4 IS for 1499.
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2012, 10:03:53 AM »
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50 1.2 is not that sharp wide open and focus is somewhat spotty  I have not tried since I got my 5D III though

85 1.2 slow to focus last updated 2003

16-35II and 35 1.4 is a good lenses I agree but can definitely be improved with better corner sharpness/ sharpness wide open and I would love to have seen them updated before adding a 24-70 F4 IS for 1499.

50 1.2 isnt here to be top sharp at 1.2. its here to have 1.2 ;) 85 is slow because of the amount of glass it needs for focusing (they have some kind of af with bearings etc). 16-35 II is really good for a wide angle lens that is able to use filters and 35 1.4.. yeah could but i see more use for a really close focusing 24-70.

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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2012, 10:04:16 AM »
Also look at the developments in low-light photography - both the D5200 and 650D have ISO expandable to 25,600 (remember a few years back when the max ISO on a 1D was 3200) - this puts additional pressure on AF, particularly spot-AF in poor lighting conditions (read the 1DIV review on this site).

So Canon obviously does have some 'method in their madness', which is why I think the new 6D will surprise some people

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