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Off-camera flash for 5D3
« on: November 06, 2012, 10:23:24 AM »
I have a 5d3 and I am contemplating purchasing the Canon 430 EXII, and Pocket Wizard's Flex and Mini for off-camera setup. As far as I know you can access all functions of a flash (including ETTL) using the flex/mini combo as if the flash is mounted on the camera. Please correct me if I am wrong. Are there any cheaper but reliable alternatives?

Also, in case of 2 off-camera flash units what setup will I need then to be able to control the flash functions directly from my camera ? Can I make do with 2 430exII's or will I need one 580 unit as the master? Assuming both flashes are off-camera. Hope I made sense.




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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 10:28:31 AM »
That will work, yes.  You can 'sort of' access all funtions.  E-TTL II is supported, Canon's HSS is not my PW has Hypersync to accomplish the same thing.

A similar (but cheaper) option would be Phottix Odin triggers.

If using the PW/Phottix systems, you need a controller on the camera and a receiver for each remote flash.  If using Canon's wireless control for remote 430EX II's, you need a 580EX, 600EXm or ST-E2 (but NOT an ST-E3) on camera as a master.
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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 03:52:29 AM »
That will work, yes.  You can 'sort of' access all funtions.  E-TTL II is supported, Canon's HSS is not my PW has Hypersync to accomplish the same thing.

A similar (but cheaper) option would be Phottix Odin triggers.

If using the PW/Phottix systems, you need a controller on the camera and a receiver for each remote flash.  If using Canon's wireless control for remote 430EX II's, you need a 580EX, 600EXm or ST-E2 (but NOT an ST-E3) on camera as a master.

Thanks for clearing that out neuroanatomist. ^_^

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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 04:03:55 AM »
In my opinion the PW Mini and Flex units are a waste of time. Lack of control options and they are severely hamstrung by very, very poor operational range, not to mention being susceptible to interference from the flashgun, further degrading range.  Phottix Odin's all the way. Have a read of this. 

http://www.bellissimaphoto.co.uk/photographers/pocket-wizard-versus-phottix-odin-versus-radio-popper-flash-triggering.html

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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 08:48:13 AM »
Yongnuo YN-622C transceivers: $90 per pair, complete functionality, perfect operation. Why pay more?

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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 09:08:39 AM »
Yongnuo YN-622C transceivers: $90 per pair, complete functionality, perfect operation. Why pay more?

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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 09:21:03 AM »
Yongnuo YN-622C transceivers: $90 per pair, complete functionality, perfect operation. Why pay more?

Yeah, I know. I stumbled upon them just last night. They are perfect for what I need and the price is perfect. I ended up ordering them after I confirmed they do exactly whatever PW's Flex/Min can. ^_^ They(Yongnuo)look very similar to the Pixel King transceivers, the only downside is the PK ones dont support 5D3 yet, the YN's do! Phew!

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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 09:48:44 AM »
I have a 5d3 and I am contemplating purchasing the Canon 430 EXII, and Pocket Wizard's Flex and Mini for off-camera setup. As far as I know you can access all functions of a flash (including ETTL) using the flex/mini combo as if the flash is mounted on the camera. Please correct me if I am wrong. Are there any cheaper but reliable alternatives?

Also, in case of 2 off-camera flash units what setup will I need then to be able to control the flash functions directly from my camera ? Can I make do with 2 430exII's or will I need one 580 unit as the master? Assuming both flashes are off-camera. Hope I made sense.


I'm still debating this as well. I'm currently using cheap non-TTL triggers and the optical system that Canon provides for ETTL.

For line-of sight you'd need a 580 or the ST-E2 (or knock-off). You're idea about the PW should work. There are a few things to consider in my experience:

ETTL with PW can be the source of some unique problems, starting with interference all the way to reports of 580EXII flashes blowing out when used a lot with their version of HSS. Other people say that they are perfectly fine and there are no issues. Alternatively, there are the Odins already mentioned here. For people interested mostly in ETTL style shooting and/or a desire to access auto or manual functions wireless, these seem to be a better option. The transmitter and its manual look really nice. But since nothing is ever perfect you have to consider if you'll ever use your speedlites together with studio flash. You can't turn the preflash off on the Odin system - even when in manual. Without that issue I would have bought them already.

So what alternatives are left? One thing that I'm personally leaning towards right now is to just bag the whole ETTL option and go with a bunch of PW Plus III. Why? Because I find that ETTL seems nice at first and is very good for some things - but if you want a controlled environment it's better to go manual anyway. Would it be nice to have HSS? Yes (still available with line of sight of course and that actually works better than its reputation would let you believe, even in daylight and sunlight). Would it be nice to set the manual setting via the camera menu? Absolutely. So yes, the Flex and Mini will do that. Just make sure you read up on all the details for your specific needs and where you want to go in the future.

With the new 5DIII there is always the option to invest in the new Canon wireless system and call it a day. Seems really really nice albeit expensive still.
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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 10:23:25 AM »
+1 for the Phottix Odin.
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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 11:01:49 AM »
With the new 5DIII there is always the option to invest in the new Canon wireless system and call it a day. Seems really really nice albeit expensive still.

Same thing with 5d2 - despite Canon's announcements, even hss seems to work just fine, just the in-camera ui for radio control is missing and the "group flash" feature.

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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 11:21:07 AM »
Phottix Odins all the way!!  They're great! :)
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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2012, 11:46:58 AM »
i just sold my pocketwizards mini tt1's and flex tt5's and moved over to the 600ex-rt's less to cary and far better weather sealing rather that have to mount your flash to poorly built pocketwizards its just less to go wrong :-)

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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2012, 07:59:50 AM »

I'm still debating this as well. I'm currently using cheap non-TTL triggers and the optical system that Canon provides for ETTL.

For line-of sight you'd need a 580 or the ST-E2 (or knock-off). You're idea about the PW should work. There are a few things to consider in my experience:

ETTL with PW can be the source of some unique problems, starting with interference all the way to reports of 580EXII flashes blowing out when used a lot with their version of HSS. Other people say that they are perfectly fine and there are no issues. Alternatively, there are the Odins already mentioned here. For people interested mostly in ETTL style shooting and/or a desire to access auto or manual functions wireless, these seem to be a better option. The transmitter and its manual look really nice. But since nothing is ever perfect you have to consider if you'll ever use your speedlites together with studio flash. You can't turn the preflash off on the Odin system - even when in manual. Without that issue I would have bought them already.

So what alternatives are left? One thing that I'm personally leaning towards right now is to just bag the whole ETTL option and go with a bunch of PW Plus III. Why? Because I find that ETTL seems nice at first and is very good for some things - but if you want a controlled environment it's better to go manual anyway. Would it be nice to have HSS? Yes (still available with line of sight of course and that actually works better than its reputation would let you believe, even in daylight and sunlight). Would it be nice to set the manual setting via the camera menu? Absolutely. So yes, the Flex and Mini will do that. Just make sure you read up on all the details for your specific needs and where you want to go in the future.

With the new 5DIII there is always the option to invest in the new Canon wireless system and call it a day. Seems really really nice albeit expensive still.

7enderbender, I'd recommend you check out the Youngnuo 622s.

They operate at the 2.4GHz frequency, not the 433MHz that PW uses, so no interference from the flash.

They can trigger studio flashes also, and do not produce any pre-flash in manual mode.

They support HSS.

They're nearly half the price of the manual-only PW Plus III, with the added convenience of setting flashes remotely in manual mode.

The Odins have their own controls and display which makes it quicker to adjust settings compared with the 622s, which are controlled by the camera's flash control menu. So, the Odins are the better option if you need the quickest user interface. Otherwise, the 622s do everything the Odins do but for a fraction of the price.

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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2012, 09:14:39 AM »
Another bargain option if you are willing do forego ETTL is the Cactus V, $60 for a pair, each is both a transmitter and a receiver.  Put two sets in your bag and you can drive three off-camera flashes and even have a fourth bounce flash on the body.  I am having a lot of fun learning to use them.

http://www.gadgetinfinity.com/cactus-wireless-flash-transceiver-v5-duo.html
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Re: Off-camera flash for 5D3
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2012, 11:34:21 AM »
Heck if you just want a cheap reliable trigger (only ETTL pass through for shoe), I have a Phottix Strato set that I don't use anymore since I got the Odin and was going to put on CL or EvilBay later this weekend, but PM me if you are interested. $40?
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