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Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.

I will buy this lens For ______ Reason.(Post below)
14 (10%)
Too Expensive.
32 (22.9%)
Too Slow.
32 (22.9%)
24-105L is a better choice.
49 (35%)
Other.
13 (9.3%)

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Voting closed: November 20, 2012, 01:04:49 PM

Author Topic: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.  (Read 13412 times)

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 06:00:04 PM »
Actually, I think Canon has done a comparatively smart move with this one. If the price level drops to around 1000-1100 €, I'm actually very tempted. I'll still keep the 24-70/2.8 mk I for different purposes, it is just that awesome lens in my hands  ;D 24-70/2.8 would remain in my bag just because of the very good bokeh, not to mention other capabilities!

But this new F/4L, I could not believe my eyes when I saw macro 0,7x ratio! That's just insane and shows the guys in the lens department at Canon Inc. have indeed been working! For a general walk around lens, I always thought 24-105 just did not have the close focusing capability like the 24-70 does.

What's even better, the new 24-70 lens is a lot lighter than 2.8 variants and does provide image stabilization for some lower light photography. For me, this would be the thing I'd take for trekking or travelling, especially since it is smaller and lighter. Not to mention the massive improvement in macro capabilities. It sounds like Canon has indeed listened to our collective whining :)

I'll wait for them to work out the kinks and the price to drop some tens of percents, then it is most likely a deal. Any ideas of the distortion of this one, though?

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 06:00:04 PM »

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2012, 06:25:32 PM »
I think this lens provides a really good option.

If people want a 24-105 it is still available for around $800 reasonably often. The 24-70L f/2.8 ii is $2300, which makes it $800 more than the 24-70 f/4 IS.

Clearly not everyone will want this lens, but I think judging by the MTF charts, MFD and latest IS, the lens potentially offers much greater value than some of the recent releases.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2012, 06:40:55 PM by dave »

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2012, 06:32:38 PM »
800 + 800 = 2300  ?

 At 1000 US yes, any higher, no. I like my recently purchased 24-105.

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2012, 06:38:48 PM »
800 + 800 = 2300  ?

 At 1000 US yes, any higher, no. I like my recently purchased 24-105.

I was referring to the difference between the new 24-70 f/4 IS lens and the f/2.8 ii, not the 24-105L. i amended to make it clearer. :)

I am not criticising the 24-105L. For $749 as was recently offered it is a cracker. However, I would imagine the new lens will offer some good improvements for those that are interested.

I guess when it comes down to it, I like the variety that is available and, for me, I like Canon pursuing optimal image quality more than absolute versatility in focal length.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2012, 06:47:46 PM by dave »

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2012, 06:51:53 PM »
For hiking I use my 24-105 plus Samyang 14.  I do have the 70-200 f4, but with the 24-105 going into the 70-200's range, I get more use out of the 14mm, and so when weight is an issue, the 70-200 stays home.  And for event photography, its nice not having to change lenses or swap to another body.

So for me the extra reach is very important.
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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2012, 06:52:40 PM »
I was interested in this lens until I took a close look at the MTF charts of it versus the 24-70/2.8L II.  Canon made it a more dificult comparison because the vertical scales are a little different between the 4 graphs.  At $1500USD, I'd expect the f4 version to be closer to the f2.8 in image quality and that doesn't appear to be the case.  Compared to the f2.8L II, image quality falls of near the corners for a full frame sensor.  It would probably be a great crop sensor lens though...

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2012, 06:56:02 PM »
I'd like to move to FF and the 6D + 24-70/4L combo is very appealing because of its compact size and high image quality.

But this combo needs to sell for less than $3000 for me to consider it.
It also needs to have a more advanced AF system - not the prehistoric AF on the current 6D.

So, it seems that until the new 24-70/4L gets cheaper and until the 6D gets updated with a better AF, Canon won't have my money.

Your move, Canon  8).

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2012, 06:56:02 PM »

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2012, 07:13:04 PM »
The correct answer to this poll is too slow and too expensive.
$1500 for an f4 is outrageous and If this is the new pricing strategy for DSLR's, I'm going to take a good hard look at the RX1 or Leica.
I will buy this lens because my collection of L lenses will not be complete without it.
I hope this is a joke, Although this does seem like the best reason for one to buy this lens.
until the new 24-70/4L gets cheaper and until the 6D gets updated with a better AF, Canon won't have my money.

Your move, Canon  8).
"until the 6D gets updated"? IT'S NOT EVEN RELEASED YET!!!!
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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2012, 07:13:55 PM »
I will wait and see what the reviews are in the real world usage.  I am building my lens kit and at this point I'm not sure if I will spend this much for the 24-70 f/4.0 or just go big and get the f/2.8.  For a walk around lens I think I will just go ahead and grab a 24-105 f/4.0 while they are cheap and available.
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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2012, 07:26:19 PM »
$1500 for an f4 is outrageous...

Guess I was foolish to spend $13K on an f/4 lens.   ;)

I will buy this lens because my collection of L lenses will not be complete without it.
I hope this is a joke, Although this does seem like the best reason for one to buy this lens.

Egad, I hope it wasn't a joke. It pleases me to find someone who shares my passion.

Anyone know where I can get a nice, wall-mounted locking glass case for the 600/4L IS II, so I can display it and keep the dust off?  :o
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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2012, 07:33:19 PM »
Anyone know where I can get a nice, wall-mounted locking glass case for the 600/4L IS II, so I can display it and keep the dust off?  :o

I can build you one http://serialobsessor.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/wood-shop-tour/

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2012, 08:23:50 PM »
I'll admit that i was first in line to crap all over the 6D, it was exactly the same as the 5D2 just in a shinier new case and a few useless trinkets added on, for much the same price as what it replaced. I did, and will continue to, question anyone who buys the 6D as to why they don't buy a 5D2 instead for $500 less (even if you're a rebel user and need to invest in CF cards for the 5D2, they're not $500), unless you have a very valid reason for needing an inbuilt gps and have a total phobia of buying a used 5D2.

This lens, however, is different. I'm still not sure if it's replacing the 24-105L for a start, methinks the 24-105 might continue on for at least as long as it will take for the new lens to come down to the 24-105's current pricing.
But think about if you are one of those who are stepping up from a rebel (or even a 7D, which I eventually will do), you're (probably) not going to have a FF-kit-zoom (i've currently only got the EFs 15-85). When you add in the 0.7x MM figures and the Hybrid IS, this lens looks like a bargain compared to the $2200 24-105+100L Macro combo, plus it's smaller and lighter to boot.
The IQ will probably beat the 24-105, probably not the 100L, and all you're really missing out on is 70-105mm and 0.7-1.0x MM.
Not a big deal for your casual shooter to whom this is aimed (again, if you're reading this forum, then you're not the 'casual shooter to whom this is aimed'. if you're reading this, then by definition you're the 1% of gear-heads, you're not joe consumer).

OK, the price is a bit high for now, and I can't afford it either (neither can i afford a 5D2, even used). But the price should settle at the $1200-or-less mark fairly soon enough.
I predict this lens will be a big seller. Kit this with the 6D and it will account for more reason to buy the 6D than the body (imho).


ps, remember the 70-300L? "Why would I get that? it's variable-aperture and slow, and it's the same price as the 100-400L, i'd rather get the extra reach, whinge whinge etc". What lens sells better, and is generally more acclaimed, out of those two now?
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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2012, 08:37:42 PM »
Personally I'm buying this lens because it wont make much difference being f4 for video work. I already have a 70-200 f4 IS so this will partner up with that perfectly.

It also means that my 24-105 is freed up so i can use that on my other camera as either a B camera or for production stills.

But i also have to add a BUT in there, and that being the price is still too high.

Canons pricing seems to just keep going up and up.
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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2012, 08:37:42 PM »

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2012, 08:39:08 PM »
It's too slow for my liking... IS isn't for me, I'm all about freezing the action as I mainly photograph events/concerts. I don't like my 300mm F/4, I feel very limited with the F/4 aperture, it's the slowest lens I own. If I had a full frame body then my opinion would probably be different, as the ISO performance on the APS-C cameras just isn't good enough for an F/4 lens for me :/

If I did just want a walk around lens for funsies then I think this fits perfectly. I can see this being a great lens, just not the lens for me. The macro feature is really cool though, that is something I really really like.

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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2012, 09:08:16 PM »
hmmm lets see
I have  the 24-105L paid $800 or so for it new a few years ago now and its still a trooper just keeps on going, I recently got the best version 1 24-70 f2.8L i've ever used for $800 used :) and I have the 100 f2.8L IS Macro maybe it cost $900 so all three of those lenses cost me what the new 24-70 L II would cost
I definately have no use for a 24-70 f4 even if it does do semi macro

If the 24-70 f4 was a cheap and great IQ lens like the shorty forty I could see it being a success
but with it being stratospheric priced i'm with RL on this its going to be an epic fail until it becomes more reasonably priced
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Re: 24-70 F/4L IS - Why I will Buy/Not Buy this lens.
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2012, 09:08:16 PM »