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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2012, 03:49:56 PM »
Actually 3200 is not too bad it responds ok to noise reduction but pattern noise in shadows starts to show. All those I had in av with 1/3 Ec adde in, it could probably have taken 2/3 to protect the shadows more. I find the oof areas show noise up quite badly even at lower Iso most can be fixed with extra noise reduction in light room. After using it a bit more i really feel that the shutter button issue could be fixed in firmware since the touch to shoot is so fast surely they could make the spot focus mode using the shutter just as fast. It's a pity they didn't manage to clean up the quality of the noise like the 5d3 then iso 6400 would be totally useable however when you apply noise reduction latter noise sticks out a lot. And it takes high amounts of noise reduction to clean up. But considering the tiny size of the camera image quality is respectable and very usable up to 1600 with 3200 ok if exposed properly with no under exposure 6400 could also be saved for some shots but its not an Iso I would use a lot on this camera.
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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2012, 06:14:14 PM »
I know you were underwhelmed by the 18-55mm kit lens - it would however be interesting to see some examples shot with that lens, and possibly some crops as well.
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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2012, 06:23:12 PM »
Doesn't everyone put lemon in corona?

No, usually a lime.
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« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2012, 02:02:57 AM »
I know you were underwhelmed by the 18-55mm kit lens - it would however be interesting to see some examples shot with that lens, and possibly some crops as well.

yeah sure i'll do a head to head vs the 16-35 f2.8LII this weekend
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« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2012, 03:51:03 AM »
I know you were underwhelmed by the 18-55mm kit lens - it would however be interesting to see some examples shot with that lens, and possibly some crops as well.

yeah sure i'll do a head to head vs the 16-35 f2.8LII this weekend

That would be awesome, although a kit lens against the 16-35 is like taking a knife to a gunfight!  It should give a very good juxtaposition though.
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2012, 04:54:46 PM »
No live view magnification = weak sauce... since you are shooting in live view all the time not having the magnification ability is just dumb.

First, thanks for the detailed review. I wanted to love this camera as a second body for traveling lighter, but with all the negative reviews of the af speed I almost wrote it off. You turned me around enough to go try it for myself at a local camera shop. I totally agree that the tap to take a photo method gives the fastest af.

I also noticed that there was a live view magnification, but I believe the camera has to be set to manual focus for the option to be available. Once it is in manual focus mode a magnifying glass icon in the lower right corner of the screen lets you cycle through 1x, 5x and 10x magnification (I think). I only got to play with the camera for a limited time so I'm no expert, but I you should definitely look into getting that live view magnification working. I'd love to help remove a negative from your cons list.

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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2012, 05:27:14 PM »
No live view magnification = weak sauce... since you are shooting in live view all the time not having the magnification ability is just dumb.

First, thanks for the detailed review. I wanted to love this camera as a second body for traveling lighter, but with all the negative reviews of the af speed I almost wrote it off. You turned me around enough to go try it for myself at a local camera shop. I totally agree that the tap to take a photo method gives the fastest af.

I also noticed that there was a live view magnification, but I believe the camera has to be set to manual focus for the option to be available. Once it is in manual focus mode a magnifying glass icon in the lower right corner of the screen lets you cycle through 1x, 5x and 10x magnification (I think). I only got to play with the camera for a limited time so I'm no expert, but I you should definitely look into getting that live view magnification working. I'd love to help remove a negative from your cons list.

cool thanks for the heads up.
Even though when i was using the 600FD which is manual focus anyway  i never changed the camera into manual focus mode. I'll try it out, this will make things tons better for manual focus lenses, still it would be good if it automatically changed itself into this mode when a non autofocus enabled lens was attached the magnification would be handy even in auto focus too to verify it was getting it right, however so far AF accuracy has not appeared to be an issue with the tap to shoot mode, using the shutter button it focuses on all manner of wierd stuff but as for hitting the target with the touch to shoot i'm impressed with the accuracy even at narrow apertures.
they should be able to enable magnification in any mode too just like the 5D cameras in live view. heres hoping for a firmware update that gives magnification to all modes and gives the shutter button the touch to shoot speed (which is pretty reasonable).

To be totally honest the more I use this little guy the more I like it.
I think the quality of the little 22mm f2 plays a part here  its a nice combo.
I think even iso3200 is useable if you absolutely make sure nothing is even close to being under exposed or contains heavy shadows.
I still think if it were cheaper it would appeal to alot more people, I feel the price will come down relatively soon though.
I have also noticed battery life is not fantastic I guess it goes with the territory of being permanently in live view
and having that great screen.
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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2012, 06:26:07 PM »
Agreed on all your points about magnification in all focus modes. It seems like that should be possible with firmware either from Canon or magic lantern.

Also, I agree it would be excellent if firmware could improve shutter button af speed to be on par with the screen tap speed.

Plus speaking of manual focus lenses. I know your 600mm is in use with the edmika converter. I hear edmika stuff is high quality, but another big POTENTIAL plus to the EOS M is that it might be able to accept FD lenses with a simple optics free adapter.

I'm leaning pretty hard towards adding this camera to my kit, but I dislike just hoping so many things will come about eventually. If I were smart I would wait for the adapter and firmware updates to happen because by then the price will have dipped nicely, I think.

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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2012, 06:30:17 PM »

To be totally honest the more I use this little guy the more I like it.
I think the quality of the little 22mm f2 plays a part here  its a nice combo.
I think even iso3200 is useable if you absolutely make sure nothing is even close to being under exposed or contains heavy shadows.
I still think if it were cheaper it would appeal to alot more people, I feel the price will come down relatively soon though.
I have also noticed battery life is not fantastic I guess it goes with the territory of being permanently in live view
and having that great screen.

I would be interested to know if there is any difference in high ISO performance to the 7D.  While they have sensors based on the same technology, the DIGIC chip is still involved even in RAW processing.  (That said, I have also got some pretty decent ISO3200 shots off the 7D - again where there are not too many shadows.)

I am conflicted about jumping to buy one of these little fellows.  I did really want something with an EVF, but at the same time, my G11 is starting to show wear and tear.  I probably should wait for the price to drop, in which case, I can focus mainly on the money spent on lenses and the adapter, and accept that I will replace the body when something better comes out.
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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2012, 06:46:15 PM »

To be totally honest the more I use this little guy the more I like it.
I think the quality of the little 22mm f2 plays a part here  its a nice combo.
I think even iso3200 is useable if you absolutely make sure nothing is even close to being under exposed or contains heavy shadows.
I still think if it were cheaper it would appeal to alot more people, I feel the price will come down relatively soon though.
I have also noticed battery life is not fantastic I guess it goes with the territory of being permanently in live view
and having that great screen.

I would be interested to know if there is any difference in high ISO performance to the 7D.  While they have sensors based on the same technology, the DIGIC chip is still involved even in RAW processing.  (That said, I have also got some pretty decent ISO3200 shots off the 7D - again where there are not too many shadows.)

I am conflicted about jumping to buy one of these little fellows.  I did really want something with an EVF, but at the same time, my G11 is starting to show wear and tear.  I probably should wait for the price to drop, in which case, I can focus mainly on the money spent on lenses and the adapter, and accept that I will replace the body when something better comes out.

I can get my hands on a 600D to compare but not a 7D
i'll try borrow the 600D and the 18-55 EF-S kit lens on the weekend to compare sensors and kits lenses too

It might be worth waiting to see if a firmware update comes out cleaning up some of the issues and also if a price drop makes it more appealing as it stands the eos-m kit plus 22mm, 18-55, EF adapter and ex90 flash is not too far off the cost of a 5Dmk2 body brand new.

Depends how bad you want one really, you actually get used to the touch to shoot pretty quickly, I'm really liking it
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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2012, 08:27:00 PM »


I can get my hands on a 600D to compare but not a 7D
i'll try borrow the 600D and the 18-55 EF-S kit lens on the weekend to compare sensors and kits lenses too

AFAIK, the 600D and 7D sensors are exactly the same.  The 600D just doesn't have the problem of having dual data paths that the dual-DIGIC architecture in the 7D introduces (apparently visible at times).

That would be a really cool comparison.


It might be worth waiting to see if a firmware update comes out cleaning up some of the issues and also if a price drop makes it more appealing as it stands the eos-m kit plus 22mm, 18-55, EF adapter and ex90 flash is not too far off the cost of a 5Dmk2 body brand new.


Hmm,
I see the dual lens kit with the Speedlite goes for around $1011 (incl GST) - RRP is $1149.  The EF to EFM adaptor goes for around $131 (RRP $149).  That's a total of about $1142 (incl GST).  Where are you getting your 5DIIs from? ;-)


Depends how bad you want one really, you actually get used to the touch to shoot pretty quickly, I'm really liking it

That is what I am thinking - that is how you would mainly use it with the 22mm lens, which would probably be the most used lens.

One other thought: with the EX90 Speedlite, have you thought of the idea of using a short TTL cable and holding the flash in one hand and the camera in the other to achieve bounce flash?  (Of course you couldn't use touch to shoot then, unless you were a three-armed mutant!)
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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2012, 08:38:30 PM »
its more expensive here in australia i think around $1350 or something
I got credited back what the fuji x10 cost me before which was around $800
so I only had to pay $550 for the eos-m
And i know a few people snapping up new 5Dmk2s for around $1500
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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2012, 09:05:48 PM »
its more expensive here in australia i think around $1350 or something
I got credited back what the fuji x10 cost me before which was around $800
so I only had to pay $550 for the eos-m
And i know a few people snapping up new 5Dmk2s for around $1500

I was quoting Australian pricing. ;-)  The twin lens + Speedlite kit is available for AUD 1011.12 and the adapter for AUD 131.12.

True - there are 5DIIs floating around (parallel import) for just under $1600:
http://www.d-d-photographics.com.au/categories/Digital-SLR/Canon-Digital-SLR/Canon-5D-Mark-II/

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« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2012, 09:23:54 PM »
One other thought: with the EX90 Speedlite, have you thought of the idea of using a short TTL cable and holding the flash in one hand and the camera in the other to achieve bounce flash?  (Of course you couldn't use touch to shoot then, unless you were a three-armed mutant!)

At my local camera shop, the clerk and I were messing about with the 90ex. We didn't try to use a TTL cable, but he did say it should work as a master for compatible off camera Canon flashes. He even stuck it on a 5DmkIII and it seems it should work as a master on it and presumably other FF Canons without built-in flashes too.

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« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2012, 10:48:35 PM »
At my local camera shop, the clerk and I were messing about with the 90ex. We didn't try to use a TTL cable, but he did say it should work as a master for compatible off camera Canon flashes. He even stuck it on a 5DmkIII and it seems it should work as a master on it and presumably other FF Canons without built-in flashes too.

I should add that there wasn't a display model external flash to act as slave. So we never actually tested the ability of the 90ex to act as master, just saw that the menu options were there.

I hope to go back tomorrow with my wife so that she can play with it before we decide if we want to buy it. When I do go back to the shop, I'll bring my 430exii to test it with.

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