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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2012, 09:49:11 PM »
Definitely the Samyang (or Polar, Bower, Rokinon, Pro-Optics, Vivitar...) 14mm f/2.8. Awesome optics in affordable price. And MF is kinda fun! :D

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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2012, 09:14:24 PM »
For those looking for a more moderate wide angle, the Zeiss Distagon 2/35 sits towards (or on) the top of image quality hill...Canikon cannot touch Zeiss in the microcontrast arena.


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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2012, 11:23:33 AM »
I wish I could say "Go for the uber sharp 14-24L", but..  :'(

The 17-40 is rubbish, and the 16-35 is more of a workhorse for photojurnalists. Sharp at the center but lousy edges and corners.

If I were you, I would go for the Zeiss 21mm, or for the 17mm or 24mm TS-E.

Personally, I'm waitng for canon to release a better UWA-zoom for landscapers. I don't care if it is 14-24, 16-35 or 17-40. I just want it to be razor sharp across the whole frame.

+1....razor sharp at f2.8 + IS for handheld slow shooting.
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« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2012, 06:18:04 PM »
Does anyone know why B&H would advertise the Bower to be optimized for APS-C and not recommended for FF but yet they don't put the same info on the Rokinon and Samyang? They mention light falloff, distortion and apertures f/8 and above. iirc

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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2012, 07:12:48 PM »
I am equally as confused.  I bought the Bower version at B&H when I was in NYC a couple of weeks ago.  I am very unhappy with the results and am planning to return it.  Did I just get a bad copy and should I order a new one?  And, if so, which version?  I now see that B&H is selling the Bower version for $299 (with $80 instant savings until December 5).  I paid full price of $379.  B&H wants $379 for the Rokinon version and $399 for the Samyang version.   Are they really all the same?  Or are there some differences that would explain the price difference?  And, it appears that the Nikon version has a focus confirmation chip, while the Canon version does not.  Although the lens is UWA and I will presumably be using it stopped down to some extent, giving a fairly wide depth of field, I can't see to focus all that well through the viewfinder and unfortunately still work with the 5Dc (and thus have no live view for focusing).  Assuming I get a new copy, and it is acceptable, how do I add focus confirmation (reading other posts, it sounds like that is what others have done)?  Thanks for any insight.
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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2012, 07:21:13 PM »
I wish I could say "Go for the uber sharp 14-24L", but..  :'(

The 17-40 is rubbish, and the 16-35 is more of a workhorse for photojurnalists. Sharp at the center but lousy edges and corners.

If I were you, I would go for the Zeiss 21mm, or for the 17mm or 24mm TS-E.

Personally, I'm waitng for canon to release a better UWA-zoom for landscapers. I don't care if it is 14-24, 16-35 or 17-40. I just want it to be razor sharp across the whole frame.

+1....razor sharp at f2.8 + IS for handheld slow shooting.
I used to wish that, but then, I woke up.

Now I have all 3 mentioned primes. I bought one every year for the last 3 years.
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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2012, 08:04:34 PM »
The 17-40 is rubbish, and the 16-35 is more of a workhorse for photojournalists. Sharp at the center but lousy edges and corners.
That's a mighty big call to say the 17-40 is rubbish. Maybe you have not owned one. It's mushy wide open but is a match for the 16-35 f/2.8II from f/5 onwards. The 17-40 is a lens I've used with total confidence for demanding commercial work since they first came out in 2003. Read reviews...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-17-40mm-f-4.0-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx
http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/177-canon-ef-17-40mm-f4-usm-l-test-report--review
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=3
http://www.lenstip.com/4.1-Lens_review-Canon_EF_17-40_mm_f_4.0L_USM-Introduction.html
http://www.naturephotographers.net/articles0508/dw0508-1.html
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/canon-17-40.shtml

Also if you have been following threads about wide zooms on CR you'll see the 17-40 has delivered largely positive experiences for those who own one.

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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2012, 08:04:34 PM »

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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2012, 08:27:53 PM »
The 17-40 is rubbish, and the 16-35 is more of a workhorse for photojournalists. Sharp at the center but lousy edges and corners.
That's a mighty big call to say the 17-40 is rubbish. Maybe you have not owned one. It's mushy wide open but is a match for the 16-35 f/2.8II from f/5 onwards. The 17-40 is a lens I've used with total confidence for demanding commercial work since they first came out in 2003. Read reviews...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-17-40mm-f-4.0-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx
http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/177-canon-ef-17-40mm-f4-usm-l-test-report--review
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=3
http://www.lenstip.com/4.1-Lens_review-Canon_EF_17-40_mm_f_4.0L_USM-Introduction.html
http://www.naturephotographers.net/articles0508/dw0508-1.html
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/canon-17-40.shtml

Also if you have been following threads about wide zooms on CR you'll see the 17-40 has delivered largely positive experiences for those who own one.

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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2012, 08:34:06 PM »
One of my shots with the 17-40mm + 5D3 just a few days ago...


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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2012, 08:42:16 PM »
Well there are as many or more on this forum alone that don't seem thrilled with the 17-40 on full frame. 

As for the Samyang comment today above, perhaps it has something to do with original version?
http://www.lenstip.com/200.1-Lens_review-Samyang_14_mm_f_2.8_IF_ED_MC_Aspherical-Introduction.html

This wording to start off that review "Important! The review of improved vesion of this lens can be found here"

I'm not real sure how one knows if an older one is slipped in.  But there's some rather high praise from them on the newer good version...  http://www.lenstip.com/239.4-Lens_review-Samyang_14_mm_f_2.8_ED_AS_IF_UMC_Image_resolution.html

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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2012, 08:52:45 PM »
Well there are as many or more on this forum alone that don't seem thrilled with the 17-40 on full frame. 

As for the Samyang comment today above, perhaps it has something to do with original version?
http://www.lenstip.com/200.1-Lens_review-Samyang_14_mm_f_2.8_IF_ED_MC_Aspherical-Introduction.html

This wording to start off that review "Important! The review of improved vesion of this lens can be found here"

I'm not real sure how one knows if an older one is slipped in.  But there's some rather high praise from them on the newer good version...  http://www.lenstip.com/239.4-Lens_review-Samyang_14_mm_f_2.8_ED_AS_IF_UMC_Image_resolution.html

Note the different names.....

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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2012, 08:55:50 PM »
B&H do not list the lens they carry as the 'AS'….bummer

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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2012, 09:07:31 PM »

Note the different names.....

I did but wasn't sure they were all that conclusive....

IF ED MC Aspherical
ED AS IF UMC

Both have IF and ED.  Then Aspherical spelled out on one and AS used on the other.  Then only difference left is UMC vs MC. 

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/698923-REG/Bower_SLY14MMF28C_14mm_f_2_8_Ultra_Wide.html
Least with the bower at BH it seems off naming it might be hard to tell. 

http://www.amazon.com/Samyang-Manual-Focus-Aspherical-Cameras/dp/B006MI1XUA
Amazon naming doesn't seem helpful either.  Guess if one researched enough to distinguish UMC vs MC.  I never got that far.

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« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2012, 09:08:16 PM »
I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for my favorite current lens, the 14mm L II.  I have shot most of the Sigma UWA lenses and actually find the 8-16mm one of the most outstanding lenses for a crop body that you can get, I shot the siggy 10-20 for a long time, and figured the 8-16 would be just as soft in the corners or even softer because it was much wider, but that is not the case.  I usually only shot those lenses at their widest, and usually found myself wanting even wider (its how I see the world I guess).  So when I moved to Canon this year and to full frame (5D mkiii) I first got the sigma 12-24, but was totally disappointed.  I then sucked it up and bought the 14 LII and I have to say, this thing is nothing short of remarkable.  The thing kills is in speed, especially useful for astrophotography, sharpness corner to corner (even wide open), color, and lack of distortion, and almost compete lack of flare.  it is small, built like a tank, and a joy to shoot with.  The rear gel filter is actually an advantage in my opinion, especially when using huge ND filters (you can also buy a system for using large grad filters on front if you want to go that route, I have it and don't use it much). 

All and all it is a badass lens, my only small grip on it is because it has only 6 aperture blades the starburst when stopped down is only 6 pointed, but this is easily corrected in post if you really hate it.

enough talk, I'll just post some of my favorite images I've shot with it the last few months since getting it, and you can judge for yourself.


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Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2012, 09:08:57 PM »
B&H do not list the lens they carry as the 'AS'….bummer

AS is short for aspherical which both names on lenstip are using.  Only difference left is MC vs UMC.

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