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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2012, 09:41:30 AM »
If Canon really can come up with a pixel design and readout electronics that dramatically reduces read noise, won't that leave the new 5DIII owners out in the cold?  Could the 5DIII get a big price drop and a replacement (sensor only) be released soon?  Could Canon offer a sensor-only upgrade for them?
I would not worry about that.

Haven't you heard? Most people who bought the 5D III claim that "they don't need more DR", and that "more DR is only for people who can't expose correctly."

I don't really need more DR either (well, it's very rare that I do), but I would like cleaner images in the DR I currently have.  Going all the way to the noise floor doesn't yield the cleanest images, while pushing the noise floor down would achieve much cleaner images in the area from the current noise floor up.

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2012, 09:41:30 AM »

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2012, 09:43:42 AM »
I have been waiting for the 7Dll for two years now. I will believe it when I see it. But I old 7D just keeps on clicking no problems.  ;)
Still wold like to see what the next crop body will be.
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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2012, 10:08:39 AM »
If Canon really can come up with a pixel design and readout electronics that dramatically reduces read noise, won't that leave the new 5DIII owners out in the cold?  Could the 5DIII get a big price drop and a replacement (sensor only) be released soon?  Could Canon offer a sensor-only upgrade for them?
I would not worry about that.

Haven't you heard? Most people who bought the 5D III claim that "they don't need more DR", and that "more DR is only for people who can't expose correctly."

I don't really need more DR either (well, it's very rare that I do), but I would like cleaner images in the DR I currently have.  Going all the way to the noise floor doesn't yield the cleanest images, while pushing the noise floor down would achieve much cleaner images in the area from the current noise floor up.
But that kinda means that you do want more DR. Getting cleaner results when pushing shadows = more DR. :) And I'm guessing you want Canon to get rid of their trademarked banding too.

Nothing odd about that. It has been on my wishlist for 5 years now.



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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2012, 10:11:51 AM »
If Canon really can come up with a pixel design and readout electronics that dramatically reduces read noise, won't that leave the new 5DIII owners out in the cold?  Could the 5DIII get a big price drop and a replacement (sensor only) be released soon?  Could Canon offer a sensor-only upgrade for them?
I would not worry about that.

Haven't you heard? Most people who bought the 5D III claim that "they don't need more DR", and that "more DR is only for people who can't expose correctly."

I don't really need more DR either (well, it's very rare that I do), but I would like cleaner images in the DR I currently have.  Going all the way to the noise floor doesn't yield the cleanest images, while pushing the noise floor down would achieve much cleaner images in the area from the current noise floor up.
But that kinda means that you do want more DR. Getting cleaner results when pushing shadows = more DR. :) And I'm guessing you want Canon to get rid of their trademarked banding too.

Nothing odd about that. It has been on my wishlist for 5 years now.

Yes, to get those cleaner images, I'd get more low-ISO DR for free.  But there's really only one time I've wanted more base-ISO DR and in that particular case, I needed about 20 more stops, not a measly 2 stops more.

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2012, 10:23:17 AM »
Who cares about sensors? Where are the lens announcements!!

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2012, 10:24:49 AM »
After their serious loss of market shares to Nikon in 2012, I expect Canon to return with a vengeance next year for their camera releases. If they still do not fix their sensor problems by 2013, they can kiss their no. 1 market share status goodbye forever.

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2012, 10:30:18 AM »
I have no clue but what advantage would a Digic5+ or dual Digic 5's have in a 7D2? Would they help in the noise area over the dual D4's?

I'm trying to think what trickle down or even up tech might be helping the 7D2. (5D3/6D/T4i)

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2012, 10:30:31 AM »
Yes, to get those cleaner images, I'd get more low-ISO DR for free.  But there's really only one time I've wanted more base-ISO DR and in that particular case, I needed about 20 more stops, not a measly 2 stops more.

I generally get where you are coming from.

BUT that's not how folks in the market for new DSLRs view the situation. Everyone turns to DXOMark these days (including DPReview). Whether DXOMark numbers make sense or not is another matter. It does not change how people perceive Canon sensors when they look at DXOMark camera ranking; not one Canon camera is in the top ten right now. That has a very serious impact on buyers' perception, hence the loss of Canon market shares to Nikon.

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2012, 10:33:02 AM »
After their serious loss of market shares to Nikon in 2012, I expect Canon to return with a vengeance next year for their camera releases. If they still do not fix their sensor problems by 2013, they can kiss their no. 1 market share status goodbye forever.

Canon could hold off nikon if they release a stunning lens line-up too irresistible making Nikon's sensors irrelevant. Afterall, Canon has always bragged about their superior lens line-up.

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2012, 10:35:11 AM »
What RLPhoto said!
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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2012, 10:43:41 AM »
After their serious loss of market shares to Nikon in 2012, I expect Canon to return with a vengeance next year for their camera releases. If they still do not fix their sensor problems by 2013, they can kiss their no. 1 market share status goodbye forever.

Canon could hold off nikon if they release a stunning lens line-up too irresistible making Nikon's sensors irrelevant. Afterall, Canon has always bragged about their superior lens line-up.

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If these lenses are released next year, I'll be very comfortable with canon.


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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2012, 10:50:00 AM »
I'm intrigued that the big megapixel body will be sized between the 5DIII and 1DX. If it didn't have its vertical grip, the 1DX would still be a little bigger than the 5DIII, so maybe it will be a 1DX-style body without the grip. Alternatively, perhaps it will have a 5DIII-style body with an integrated grip. Or maybe it won't resemble either. We'll have to wait and see.

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2012, 10:57:55 AM »
I agree that there are lenses that need a refresh and that Canon shouldn't rest on it's laurels of being the top glass big wig however I just don't see them putting an emphasis on lenses until they win back the body marketshare.
2013 would be great if there was a balance of lenses and bodies released.

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2012, 11:10:23 AM »
A pro aimed EOS M would be nice.

A 7D2 is way overdue.

And the BIG MP camera will be here soon.

Let's see some innovation canon.

Any bets if it's gonna be same Sensor tech repackaged... or something new?


The 7D2 is way over due only because of it's iso noise issue.

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Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2012, 11:26:08 AM »
A second EOS-M???  The existing EOS-M has slow AF and hence cause a lots of posters to put it down. Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Nikon even Casio (P &S), all have FAST AF. What has happened to Canon??
I would buy a EOS-M only if it comes with fast AF.

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