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Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2012, 02:06:28 PM »
I'm interested in this.  I wonder what 'pro' means?  I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system.  That's what 'pro' means to me...  :)

I really hope they don't go anywhere near a 1D style body on a 7D2 as that would be an immediate deal breaker for me.

That aside, I have to wonder what strategy they might pursue... I think the 5D3 would be a reference point, but would the 7D2 get features that surpass it like the 7D did to the 5D2? A further updated AF system would be a nice to have, particularly if they start to standardise on the RGB metering/tracking assist making it more 1D X like than 5D3 like.


On the rumoured lenses, I'll watch with interest what the EF-S fisheye zoom does. I'm already tempted by the full frame version but haven't got it yet since it's a lot of cost of a niche usage lens. If the EF-S version still covers circular to full frame fisheye at a lower cost, I'll probably bite.
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Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2012, 02:40:57 PM »
...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this.  I wonder what 'pro' means?  I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system.  That's what 'pro' means to me...  :)

I'm still expecting (Or hoping) that that recent Canon patent for rear illumination of large sensors will appear soon.  We have not seen large sensors with rear illumination due to the technical difficulties which the patent claims to solve.

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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2012, 02:57:31 PM »
If they're going to bother to mess with the 17-55/2.8, MAKE IT 15MM AT THE WIDE END, for goodness sake!!!

Ideally, it should be 15-60 or so.  That would make it a worthy combination with the 70-200s.

Yes. This. Or, better yet, take the 15-85 and make it a constant f4. All wishful thinking though, I expect.


Nope.. nope nope! I've just buyed the 15-85... don't touch that lens!!!
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2012, 03:02:01 PM »
An EF-S zoom fisheye and a wider replacement to the EF-S 10-22?

My impression was the EF-S 10-22mm should be upgraded, specifically to have wider short end and maybe some IQ improvement.

An EF-S fisheye zoom? Does the Tokina 10-17mm sell that well? After years of not making any circular fisheye lenses (note there was one for the FD mount), does Canon suddenly see a market for those on both FF & APS-C? Wouldn't it compete with both the upgraded EF-S 10-22mm and the EF 8-15mm L, which serves as diagonal fisheye lens for APS-C?

My guess is the Sigma 4.5mm full fish eye has enough sales that Canon wants to compete?

Possibly, but a fisheye zoom might mean Canon would shoot itself in the foot with an expensive lens, sending customers to buy cheaper primes.

When the EF 8-15mm f/4 came out, I already had an EF 15mm f/2.8. Preferring to save money and keep the extra stop, I bought the Sigma circular fisheye.

In case somebody brings up the familiar ISO argument:

1. An f-stop gives a 1 f-stop advantage, whether on my current camera or any other camera I will own in the future.

2. DxO doesn't support the EF 8-15mm. Support was planned, until the lens was released, then the lens disappeared from the list.

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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2012, 03:07:26 PM »
Nope.. nope nope! I've just buyed the 15-85... don't touch that lens!!!

Wrong attitude...   ;)

If they do update it, say to a constant f/4, and (more wishful thinking) add weather sealing, the price will likely go up >30%.  When that happens, prices on used copies of the previous version actually go UP, quite possibly meaning you could sell your used lens for more than you paid for it new.  Just something to think about...
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Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2012, 03:10:00 PM »
...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this.  I wonder what 'pro' means?  I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system.  That's what 'pro' means to me...  :)

It will no doubt have the new sensor tech (whatever that is), better weather sealing, and the 5DIII AF system. Oh yes, and a very high purchase price. That's what "pro" means to Canon

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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2012, 03:26:26 PM »
A Pro APS-C camera ???  Not really thought about Neuros concept of a 1D style body, but I'm thinking a step up in AF (45 points ?) pixel count (30mpx) and low light performance in a 7DII sized body, with a lower priced clipped version, a 8D perhaps (20mpx) ? To mirror the 5D/6D duo !  That way, they could realistically drop the 60D and look at a revised line up below, moving up the 650D replacement into a 60D price with the mirrorless range filling in below - a 1000 series as mirrorless EF-S perhaps ?

A Pro APS-C would hopefully also to me a range of "L" EF-S lenses -
- Fisheye 6mm - Fixed f4.0
- Ultrawide 8-20mm f4.0
- Standard 15-45mm f2.0 < been talk of f2.0 standard for a while
- Standard 15-85mm f4.0
- Tele 45-135mm f2.8 < a 70-200mm for crop, in white perhaps ;-)
- Tele 45-135mm f4.0
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2012, 03:31:46 PM »
I really hope they don't go anywhere near a 1D style body on a 7D2 as that would be an immediate deal breaker for me.

For me as well.

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Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2012, 03:38:04 PM »
An EF-S fisheye zoom? Does the Tokina 10-17mm sell that well? After years of not making any circular fisheye lenses (note there was one for the FD mount), does Canon suddenly see a market for those on both FF & APS-C? Wouldn't it compete with both the upgraded EF-S 10-22mm and the EF 8-15mm L, which serves as diagonal fisheye lens for APS-C?

Very popular underwater lens.  Bit niche admittedly.

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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2012, 04:01:17 PM »
An EF-S zoom fisheye and a wider replacement to the EF-S 10-22?

My impression was the EF-S 10-22mm should be upgraded, specifically to have wider short end and maybe some IQ improvement.

An EF-S fisheye zoom? Does the Tokina 10-17mm sell that well? After years of not making any circular fisheye lenses (note there was one for the FD mount), does Canon suddenly see a market for those on both FF & APS-C? Wouldn't it compete with both the upgraded EF-S 10-22mm and the EF 8-15mm L, which serves as diagonal fisheye lens for APS-C?

My guess is the Sigma 4.5mm full fish eye has enough sales that Canon wants to compete?

I never liked the weird look of the full circle with mass vignetting...

As far as the 60D, does this means the astronomy one too?

Good question on the 60D.
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Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2012, 04:02:17 PM »
...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this.  I wonder what 'pro' means?  I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system.  That's what 'pro' means to me...  :)

Here's hoping your definition is at least close.
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Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2012, 05:20:51 PM »
i have the 17-55 and if used carefully, dust is a really non-issue. i use mine everywhere. if canon does anything more to this lens, it will make it more expensive that it already it is...pushing it well into L territory. same goes for the 10-22 which i also have.

What does "L territory" mean?

The current EF-S 17-55 is around $1050 to $1200.

Current price for the EF135mm L is $989.

Current price for the non-IS 70-200 F/4.0L is $629.
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Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2012, 06:01:54 PM »
What is the advantage of EF-S glass? 

Seriously?  Lighter, cheaper, and in the case of the 17-55, no FF equivalent (i.e., FF equivalent 27-88 f2.8 with IS).
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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2012, 06:08:46 PM »
...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this.  I wonder what 'pro' means?  I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system.  That's what 'pro' means to me...  :)

After upgrading my glass, this is where I'd like to go next.  I just can't justify FF and a pro APS-C camera should be in 6D pricing territory, hopefully cheaper.
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Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2012, 06:25:51 PM »
...a new “pro” APS-C camera, currently expected to be the EOS 7D Mark II.

I'm interested in this.  I wonder what 'pro' means?  I'd love a redesigned APS-C sensor with significantly lower high ISO noise, in a 1-series style body with the 1D X's AF system.  That's what 'pro' means to me...  :)
Given the pretty outstanding prices on the 5D III we're seeing, and the likely even lower price of the 6D, I wouldn't mind seeing a high-resolution APS-H sensor - so long as it still represents a per-area resolution increase over the 7D.  It would be awkward to work with, though, so I'm sure that's not a terribly popular opinion.  I'm assuming it'll just be an APS-C sensor and I'm already thinking seriously about going for whatever is released, if they can get anywhere close to the gains the 6D is showing (I'm hoping the quality increase will be at least as good as from the 5D III to the 6D, as we have every right to expect).

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the AF system - I don't think they could use the 5D's AF system because its AF points already cover over 50% of the viewfinder horizontally.  It would be great though.  I personally don't think they need to go all the way to 41 cross-type points, but any bump in the number of cross-type points would be welcome.  I think that just adopting some of the new controls (acceleration/deceleration adjustments for tracking, for example) out of the 5D, as well as the other general type improvements, would make it a worthwhile upgrade already, though they'll work much better with a dense AF grid, of course.

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