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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2012, 07:20:21 PM »
There is one thing that would get me to upgrade from my 7D to a potential 7D Mark II: A massively improved sensor.
To be more specific: Better noise performance and dynamic range.

Even at very low ISO settings, skies can sometimes be slightly grainy and there's almost no information to pull out of the shadows. And what makes it even worse is that this is an area, where older Canon APS-C sensors were actually better at.

I don't care about the resolution of the sensor, as long as the image quality improvements are there. If they aren't, I'll happily keep my current 7D because overall, it's still an awesome camera.

Actually, I'm sometimes surprised at how well some of the high-ISO pictures turn out (I've had some great keepers which were shot at ISO5000), but of course any improvement here would be highly welcome as well.

Another thing I'd love to have would be an adjustable minimum shutter speed, but I think it's pretty safe to assume that it will be there (at least in the same way the 5D3 supports it).

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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2012, 07:20:21 PM »

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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2012, 07:30:36 PM »
Maybe the 7DII will have the rumored new revolutionary sensor with better high-ISO performance and more dynamic range than its predecessors and anything else on the market.

One can only hope. Although given the rumor that the 7D2 was delayed due to sensor design issues, and the fact that it seems to make sense to introduce new fab technology on higher yield APS-C sensors, it is at least a reasonable bet.
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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2012, 07:34:36 PM »
I doubt that the sensor will be any new tech at all, it states they are going to use Digic 5 if its true, so there you have it, duel processors for the 10fps and Noise reduction to be as good as the 5D3, That will be it, Im guessing a  lesser version of the 5D3 AF also,

I believe all the new tech will be added to the High Mega Pixel camera when that finally gets announced.

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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2012, 07:39:07 PM »

<li>24.2mp APS-C Sensor</li>




I hope this isn't true. I'd actually like to see Canon knock back the MP on the 7D II to 15 or 14.  While I really like my 7D, the noise levels at ISO 100 are not what I'd classify as "ideal".



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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2012, 07:51:06 PM »

No more crop sensor for me....bring on the 5D 4 ;D

why not? you could have a decent wide angle lens like sigma 8-16 or tokina 11-16 insted that canon horror you carry in your bag  :'(

16-35 II might not out perform the Nikon 14-24, but sigma and tokina ??? ::) ??? ::).....I don't think so
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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2012, 08:02:27 PM »
As a 7D owner if I was to change anything it would be improved noise perf which largely seems to be a given in any version upgrade but more importantly improved AF. I've taken a lot of good images with my 7D, I had major issues at 200 and 400 ISO when I bought it and sent it back for repair. I'm not fully convinced it was fixed but it was better. The noise performance of the 7D when it was launched was considered to be very good and its what attracted me to it from Olympus however I have to say I was disappointed. At 100 ISO the Olympus E-3 was better, most of my shots tend to be at 100 so it was massive disappointment in that regard however once my 200 and 400 issues were sorted anything beyond 400 was fine and up to to 3200 was usable depending on that use.

My major grief though without a doubt was AF, as I say I've taken a lot of good shots but I'd have taken a lot more with a reliable AF. I've bought Focal Software to see if it improves it any, hopefully it will.

Mega pixels are not a concern, 18 is fine, I just hope that we dont get a 20 odd megapixle sensor without improved noise levels.

In terms of price I dont think this will be higher than the 6D, I think for what thats worth it will be circa £200 less. It might be silly but I just cant see Canon price a camera with a lower numerical code i.e. 7 v 6 at a higher price, it just doesnt sit right, if it was to be the case then the 6D should have been an 8D maybe. Sounds daft? Well maybe but its consistent I think with Canons current policy, the higher the No, the cheaper the camera i.e comparing latest models. One thing for sure Canon have a chance to put out a very good camera that could have a lot of Sports shooters after it.

I also think it will have built in wifi and gps like the 6D has.
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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2012, 08:29:23 PM »

Specs
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Dual DIGIC V
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This spec is enough to tell that the rumor is fake.

The Digic 5+ processor is a dual-core (quad-core?) Digic.
So, no need to put two Digic 5s in a camera when a single Digic 5+ will do.

This is [CR0].

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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2012, 08:29:23 PM »

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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2012, 08:52:08 PM »

Specs
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Dual DIGIC V
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This spec is enough to tell that the rumor is fake.

The Digic 5+ processor is a dual-core (quad-core?) Digic.
So, no need to put two Digic 5s in a camera when a single Digic 5+ will do.

This is [CR0].

The 1D X has dual Digic 5+, so presumably that's needed for 18 MP at 14 fps.  Guess what?  18.1 MP x 14 fps = 253.4 MP/s, and that value divided by the rumored 24.2 MP equals 10.5 fps, very close to the rumored 10.2 fps (and assuming no dedicated Digic 4 for metering, the job would be done by the Digic 5+'s, dropping the max throughput slightly). The 7D has dual Digic 4 (18 MP x 8 fps), and so does the 1DIV (16 MP x 10 fps).

Not saying I believe the rumor, but it's pretty certain that dual Digic 5+ would be needed to drive a data throughput (MP-fps combo) that's basically the same as the 1D X.
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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2012, 08:57:29 PM »
left out the iso rating, really wanna see what this crop sensor can do

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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2012, 09:06:34 PM »


I also think it will have built in wifi and gps like the 6D has.

As long as it has a mag-alloy chassis, it most probably will not have integrated GPS and WiFi.  The mag-alloy chassis acts as a Faraday cage, preventing decent radio reception/transmission.  Canon would probably compromise on the integrity of the chassis in order to get the wireless antennas into a position where reasonable radio performance is possible.
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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2012, 09:31:46 PM »
I have a 7D as one of my 2 Canon DSLRs. I love this camera, it's my 'go to' for 95% of my photography. I really like the crop / reach advantage that APS-C (1.6x crop) sensor cameras can bring, plus there are now some great EF-S lenses / 3rd party lenses for crop-sensored cameras.  ;)

My thoughts on the CR0 specs above are:
- 18MP is fine - but if 24.2MP are clean, why not?! (more cropability!)
- 10.2 fps would be awesome. Even 8 fps works well for me.
- it needs enough processing power... sure, give it 2x Digic 5+ CPUs
- no need to change the design, my 7D fits me so well
- please keep the same battery... pretty please?!
- Feb 2013 announcement would be good so that towards Christmas 2013 (ie a year from now, which is our summer here in Australia) - prices will be lower.  I would only plan to get a replacement / upgrade for my current 7D if / when it's on its last legs.

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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2012, 09:35:00 PM »

Specs
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Dual DIGIC V
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The Digic 5+ processor is a dual-core (quad-core?) Digic.
So, no need to put two Digic 5s in a camera when a single Digic 5+ will do.

This is [CR0].

A dual core processor is not twice as powerful as a single core processor. The two processors have to share I/O, and this slows them down. On single threaded applications a single core processor will outperform a multi-core processor, on multi-threaded applications the multi-core processor will be faster. answers are never simple, but one thing is true, two seperate single core processors will ALWAYS outperform the version where they are combined on the same chip.
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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2012, 09:45:55 PM »


I also think it will have built in wifi and gps like the 6D has.

As long as it has a mag-alloy chassis, it most probably will not have integrated GPS and WiFi.  The mag-alloy chassis acts as a Faraday cage, preventing decent radio reception/transmission.  Canon would probably compromise on the integrity of the chassis in order to get the wireless antennas into a position where reasonable radio performance is possible.

you make a tiny hole in the metal body and run the antenna out through it, the antenna can be under the rubber grip, or anywhere else it makes sense. Works for ELT beacons.....

Also, do not confuse a faraday cage with RF shielding....... two different problems....
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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2012, 09:45:55 PM »

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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2012, 09:52:09 PM »

Specs
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Dual DIGIC V
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This spec is enough to tell that the rumor is fake.

The Digic 5+ processor is a dual-core (quad-core?) Digic.
So, no need to put two Digic 5s in a camera when a single Digic 5+ will do.

This is [CR0].

The 1D X has dual Digic 5+, so presumably that's needed for 18 MP at 14 fps.  Guess what?  18.1 MP x 14 fps = 253.4 MP/s, and that value divided by the rumored 24.2 MP equals 10.5 fps, very close to the rumored 10.2 fps (and assuming no dedicated Digic 4 for metering, the job would be done by the Digic 5+'s, dropping the max throughput slightly). The 7D has dual Digic 4 (18 MP x 8 fps), and so does the 1DIV (16 MP x 10 fps).

Not saying I believe the rumor, but it's pretty certain that dual Digic 5+ would be needed to drive a data throughput (MP-fps combo) that's basically the same as the 1D X.
The Rithmetic certainly adds up! Anyway, I am not in a hurry. Spent my loot for the 5D3 :)

May be later when the price comes down - I do miss the reach of a crop body... And I don't have the moolah for a 500mm or 600mm Canon lens :(. We'll see... I'll wait for the vapors to condense, solidify and prove to be usable :)



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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2012, 09:52:47 PM »
But high frame-rate Canons tend to do whole-number frames per second, not 10.2, hence my scepticism.
The (iirc) 50D was in the same bracket and rated 6.3fps.
Not that it makes any sense - with the variable delays introduced by the aperture control, the shutter cycle or flash metering w. 5 individuel TTL-groups if one goes for the worst case.
Looking at the 1Dx and its shutter delay-CF: w/o additional limiting that alone could change the framerate by about 1/3 fps.

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Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2012, 09:52:47 PM »