First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]

[thelebaron]

interesting. the channel info is stated on the bh store page(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892349-REG/Canon_8035b002_EOS_6D_Digital_Camera.html) so that sounds about right. single digic for the 7d2 and just a made up rumour.

from the B&H link:
"the DIGIC 5+ processor also delivers overall speed and power to the 6D and utilizes dual 4-channel A/D converter"

Looks like the same 8-channel setup to me. At the minimum, I'm betting on dual DIGIC 5 (non '+').

ha good catch! damn my skim reading

[eddiemrg]

             I hope NO flipscreen.......................

I am not sure if that goes with the current level of weathersealing that 7D has. I assume the successor of the 7D will not be less weathersealed.

Agree!

[nicku]

I really hope that the resolution and sensor type are not true.... 24MP on a APS-C sensor with the current manufacturing technology is a certain disaster for Canon/7Dmk2.

Maybe they will start to use the new 180nm technology on the new sensor and than ... who knows maybe will come something worth buying in terms of sharpness and ISO performance.

Canon MUST do something with their cameras/sensors performance, because Nikon (using Sony sensors) are way ahead; every single day they loose market share. They must be little bit less greedy and ofer little more for the correct price ( like others DSLR's manufacturing companies does).

The days when they rely on the excellent lens lineup and afford to produce less bodies at higher prices are starting to vanish (and here i refer to 2012 announcements)... like in natural selection; adapt or slowly die.

[vlim]

I'm pretty sure this is all about speculation and if the 7D mark II exists en 2013 (which is definitely not 100% sure) it'll be with very different specs in my opinion.

 And it's starts with this 24 MP with an APSC sensor, i really hope it won't be exact, something between 16 to 20 would be great !

What i want is the kind of AF of the 5D mark III, better noise reduction and great high iso performances...

[Krob78]

New Ergonomic Design

Why is everyone assuming this means smaller?  I find the design of a 1-series body to be much more ergonomic. 

Here, here!  I couldn't agree more Neuro.  I shoot with a 7d and it's fairly comfortable with my grip.  I've held and shot several of the 1 series bodies and also find them even more favorable yet.  New Ergonomic design could definitely mean larger, more aero-dynamic, ergonomic... That would indeed be nice!  Here's to hoping! 

[Krob78]

New Ergonomic Design

Why is everyone assuming this means smaller?  I find the design of a 1-series body to be much more ergonomic. 

Yep the 1-Series ergonomics must be used to be fully appreciated. While I like most aspects of my 5D3, the 1D4 is streets ahead in the ergonomics department. If the 7DII can close the gap somewhat, then that can only be a good thing. Sports/action/BIF shooters who are lamenting the demise of APS-H will no doubt be looking keenly at this announcement. The new battery? I can only assume it's a higher horsepower item than the LP-E6 to drive the relevant performance benchmarks along. If Canon gets it right, the 7DII will be an absolute killer.

-PW

++1

[Lee Jay]

For the billionth time, more pixels does not mean more noise.  In fact, given the same basic sensor performance, more pixels means less noise (given the same total sensor area, of course).  This is because bigger pixels do nothing but simple block averaging while noise reduction software uses far more sophisticated approaches to reducing noise than that.

Think of it this way - a perfect sensor would record each photon's location.  This is sort of equivalent to "infinite" pixel count.

There are a couple factors here. Hand-holding ability suffers when pixel density is too high,

No, it doesn't.  The extra pixels are capable of showing the blur that was already there in more detail.  Reducing the pixel count just hides that blur inside the blur due to poor sampling.

On top of that is encountering diffraction earlier on.

That's also baloney, and for the exact same reason.

There are several drawbacks to cramming more pixels on small sensors. You can take as many shortcuts as you like, but eventually physics will emerge victorious, thus the booming full frame market.....

The only drawbacks to more pixels are that better manufacturing is needed, faster processing pipelines have to be included, more storage is consumed by the final files, and more processing power is needed to post process the final images.  There are no image quality disadvantages except in certain extremely way out there edge cases no one ever mentions anyway.

[willis]

New design and battery.. WHY CANON, WHY?! But other specs looks nice, but I'll pass if I'm not getting good deal out of that one.

[Lee Jay]

New Ergonomic Design

Why is everyone assuming this means smaller?  I find the design of a 1-series body to be much more ergonomic. 

Yep the 1-Series ergonomics must be used to be fully appreciated. While I like most aspects of my 5D3, the 1D4 is streets ahead in the ergonomics department. If the 7DII can close the gap somewhat, then that can only be a good thing. Sports/action/BIF shooters who are lamenting the demise of APS-H will no doubt be looking keenly at this announcement. The new battery? I can only assume it's a higher horsepower item than the LP-E6 to drive the relevant performance benchmarks along. If Canon gets it right, the 7DII will be an absolute killer.

-PW

++1

I think the ergonomics of the 1D series are horrible.  I have small hands and the bodies are just too thick for me (literally, with my hand on the grip in the proper place, my index finger doesn't reach the shutter release).  Plus, you can't remove the grip meaning you have to tote around all that extra weight and size even if you don't need it for what you are doing that day.

[neuroanatomist]

Plus, you can't remove the grip meaning you have to tote around all that extra weight and size even if you don't need it for what you are doing that day.

I never remove the grip the my 7D.  The only time I took it off was when I loaned the camera to someone who didn't use a grip.  Thus, for me, having the grip built-in is much better, for many reasons (which I know we've already discussed  ).

[x-vision]

from the B&H link:
"the DIGIC 5+ processor also delivers overall speed and power to the 6D and utilizes dual 4-channel A/D converter"

Looks like the same 8-channel setup to me. At the minimum, I'm betting on dual DIGIC 5 (non '+').

According to Canon CPN Europe, it's a four-channel readout. See the 'Key technologies' section here: 
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/product/cameras/eos_6d.do

But you might be right, after all, that both the 6D and 5DIII have an 8-channel readout.

In any case, if you've seen the size of the Digic 5+, you know that Canon is not going to use two of these in a non-1DX body.

[Krob78]

New Ergonomic Design

Why is everyone assuming this means smaller?  I find the design of a 1-series body to be much more ergonomic. 

Yep the 1-Series ergonomics must be used to be fully appreciated. While I like most aspects of my 5D3, the 1D4 is streets ahead in the ergonomics department. If the 7DII can close the gap somewhat, then that can only be a good thing. Sports/action/BIF shooters who are lamenting the demise of APS-H will no doubt be looking keenly at this announcement. The new battery? I can only assume it's a higher horsepower item than the LP-E6 to drive the relevant performance benchmarks along. If Canon gets it right, the 7DII will be an absolute killer.

-PW

++1

I think the ergonomics of the 1D series are horrible.  I have small hands and the bodies are just too thick for me (literally, with my hand on the grip in the proper place, my index finger doesn't reach the shutter release).  Plus, you can't remove the grip meaning you have to tote around all that extra weight and size even if you don't need it for what you are doing that day.

I can certainly understand your dilema.  I have pretty good sized hands.  When I first bought the 60D, the small size was one of the first things that turned me off and I found very uncomfortable.  When I bought my 7D, I was relieved and pretty happy about the good overall feeling of soliditity and balance I had with the camera.

After shooting a 1d series, I purchased the grip for my 7D.  I was originally hesitant, due to what I thought was a high cost for the OEM, but purchased it anyway after holding and shooting a 1 series.  In the last 3 years since I've had the grip, I've only ever removed it three times.  Twice for maintenance cleaning and once to let my daughter try shooting with it, it was to large for her with the grip and her small hands...

I wish they would build it with the battery grip, however I know that would be very inconvenient for many folks that don't like it or it's too large for.  I have no problem purchasing a new one for the MK II if it needs a different one.  Seems likely if they are changing the batteries...

[Lee Jay]

I wish they would build it with the battery grip, however I know that would be very inconvenient for many folks that don't like it or it's too large for.

I don't see why anyone would want the grip to be built in and not removable.  I do see why people would want a better grip than the ones they build for the non-1-series now.  That's why I advocate for the better ungripped bodies (5D, 7D, possibly xxD, plus the 1-series) to get a 1V-style grip, and leave the bottom-mounted grip for the Rebels.  That way everyone can get what they want.  You could have an ungripped 1-series, or a solidly-gripped 7D/5D etc. neither of which is available right now.

[Krob78]

I wish they would build it with the battery grip, however I know that would be very inconvenient for many folks that don't like it or it's too large for.

I don't see why anyone would want the grip to be built in and not removable.  I do see why people would want a better grip than the ones they build for the non-1-series now.  That's why I advocate for the better ungripped bodies (5D, 7D, possibly xxD, plus the 1-series) to get a 1V-style grip, and leave the bottom-mounted grip for the Rebels.  That way everyone can get what they want.  You could have an ungripped 1-series, or a solidly-gripped 7D/5D etc. neither of which is available right now.

Lee that sounds good to me too!  I think I'd like one built in, as I've just never really had the occassion to shoot without it, the better ungripped body with the 1v style grip sounds like a great idea, definitely a step up from what we have now for the 5d/7d bodies.  Other than the 1-series, I don't see them ever doing built in grips on any of the other line up...

[Bob Howland]

For the billionth time, more pixels does not mean more noise.  In fact, given the same basic sensor performance, more pixels means less noise (given the same total sensor area, of course).  This is because bigger pixels do nothing but simple block averaging while noise reduction software uses far more sophisticated approaches to reducing noise than that.

Think of it this way - a perfect sensor would record each photon's location.  This is sort of equivalent to "infinite" pixel count.

There are a couple factors here. Hand-holding ability suffers when pixel density is too high,

No, it doesn't.  The extra pixels are capable of showing the blur that was already there in more detail.  Reducing the pixel count just hides that blur inside the blur due to poor sampling.

On top of that is encountering diffraction earlier on.

That's also baloney, and for the exact same reason.

There are several drawbacks to cramming more pixels on small sensors. You can take as many shortcuts as you like, but eventually physics will emerge victorious, thus the booming full frame market.....

The only drawbacks to more pixels are that better manufacturing is needed, faster processing pipelines have to be included, more storage is consumed by the final files, and more processing power is needed to post process the final images.  There are no image quality disadvantages except in certain extremely way out there edge cases no one ever mentions anyway.

If all that is true, why does the 1Dx have only 18MP and the Nikon D4 only 16MP?