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« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2013, 03:14:55 PM »
The Helios 44-2 you are all talking about is that 44-2 58mm 2.0 lens, right?

I that is directed at me, then the answer is yes.  It is my favorite vintage lens to use because it has such unique rendering.  It will hit on the mirror near infinity, so I switch to live view if using it that way.  Most of my work with it is within 15 feet, though.  Very unique portrait lens.
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2013, 04:32:56 PM »
The Helios 44-2 you are all talking about is that 44-2 58mm 2.0 lens, right?

I that is directed at me, then the answer is yes.  It is my favorite vintage lens to use because it has such unique rendering.  It will hit on the mirror near infinity, so I switch to live view if using it that way.  Most of my work with it is within 15 feet, though.  Very unique portrait lens.

Strange, I have no mirror problem with my Helios 44-2 on my 6D.
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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2013, 05:57:45 PM »
The Helios 44-2 you are all talking about is that 44-2 58mm 2.0 lens, right?

I that is directed at me, then the answer is yes.  It is my favorite vintage lens to use because it has such unique rendering.  It will hit on the mirror near infinity, so I switch to live view if using it that way.  Most of my work with it is within 15 feet, though.  Very unique portrait lens.

Interesting.  I have a Helios 44-4 and have no mirror issues with it, but my 44-2 does.  The 44-4 and 44-2 are very different designs.  My 44-2 is a preset version with 8 very curved blades.  My 44-4 is much more modern looking, has clearly defined stops, and has only six blades (less curved).  I feel like the more modern 44-4 has less microcontrast, although I haven't compared them head to head.

Strange, I have no mirror problem with my Helios 44-2 on my 6D.
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« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2013, 04:41:20 AM »
I also received a Helios 44-2 today and the mirror doesn't hit the back of the lens on infinite. I am quite satisfied with it and probably will return the Takumar 55 1.8, one of those 50-ish lenses will do and the Helios with its swirl is probably the more interesting one.
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« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2013, 04:47:37 PM »
my interest is peaking with this talk of vintage glass and i am wondering if any of you can provide advice on the brand of adapters you are using to convert these lenses to the Eos system.

i have looked at fotodiox and they appear to be quality products but they dont seem to include AF confirmation. so far it seems like most of the adapters i see with AF confirmation are coming from China (i just dont trust ordering a product from China so i'd like to stay in the US or europe)

another question i have is that its appears there are no issues with mirror clipping on APS cameras but i will be wanting to use this on the 5D series cameras so do all the adapters run the same risk of mirror clipping or do some prevent this better than others. or is it simply a crap shoot as it seems (from what i have read) that there are variances from body to body in mirror clearance.

final question, is it better to get an adapter without glass in it and deal with potential mirror clipping or does an adapter like the fotodiox have quality enough glass in it that IQ of the original lens will be preserved?

appreciate any insight and direct experiences any of you might have concerning above questions. 
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« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2013, 01:39:15 PM »
I just use a simple screw-in-adapter without any AF confirmation. I don't see the need for them because I probably won't take out such an adapted lens on a hike where I don't have much time to shoot, I only take it with me when I know I can play around a bit and then I can also set the focus via LiveView to be sure.

By the way there is my first good swirly shot with my Helios 44-2, I can't really believe how sharp it is.


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« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2013, 02:26:46 PM »
I just use a simple screw-in-adapter without any AF confirmation. I don't see the need for them because I probably won't take out such an adapted lens on a hike where I don't have much time to shoot, I only take it with me when I know I can play around a bit and then I can also set the focus via LiveView to be sure.

By the way there is my first good swirly shot with my Helios 44-2, I can't really believe how sharp it is.


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Yep, that's what I'm talking about right there.  The Helios is very sharp in the center of the frame, and then that wonderful artistic bokeh rendering.  This is a fantastic use of it!
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« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2013, 06:11:47 PM »
It's beginning to make me think I should dig out my 44-4 that came with my old Zenith.
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« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2013, 06:52:54 PM »
My very first "real" camera was an ancient though perfectly good 1960's hand-me-down Pentax Spotmatic with a 50mm  f/1.4 Takumar. The exquisite, unique qualities of this lens helped foster the beginnings of a decades-long love of photography. As I was generally shooting 64 iso Kodachrome or 125 iso Ilford FP4 I tended to shoot wide open a lot. Pure magic...no wonder this lens still has a well informed following.

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« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2013, 08:55:25 PM »
Please be aware that Helios lenses with the same name are built differently. I have mirror clearance problem with both my 44-2 58mm 2.0 and 44M on my 5DIII when focus to infinity.

I started working on the 44-2 and trimmed about 1 to 2mm off the rear lens metal barrel with a Dremel Rotary tool and the mirror problem is gone.

 


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« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2013, 08:36:53 AM »
Please be aware that Helios lenses with the same name are built differently. I have mirror clearance problem with both my 44-2 58mm 2.0 and 44M on my 5DIII when focus to infinity.

I started working on the 44-2 and trimmed about 1 to 2mm off the rear lens metal barrel with a Dremel Rotary tool and the mirror problem is gone.

That is true.  My Helios 44-2 (preset design) does hang the mirror near infinity.  My 44-4 works without hanging, but I find that micro-contrast isn't as good.
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« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2013, 10:24:25 AM »
my interest is peaking with this talk of vintage glass and i am wondering if any of you can provide advice on the brand of adapters you are using to convert these lenses to the Eos system.

i have looked at fotodiox and they appear to be quality products but they dont seem to include AF confirmation. so far it seems like most of the adapters i see with AF confirmation are coming from China (i just dont trust ordering a product from China so i'd like to stay in the US or europe)

another question i have is that its appears there are no issues with mirror clipping on APS cameras but i will be wanting to use this on the 5D series cameras so do all the adapters run the same risk of mirror clipping or do some prevent this better than others. or is it simply a crap shoot as it seems (from what i have read) that there are variances from body to body in mirror clearance.

final question, is it better to get an adapter without glass in it and deal with potential mirror clipping or does an adapter like the fotodiox have quality enough glass in it that IQ of the original lens will be preserved?

appreciate any insight and direct experiences any of you might have concerning above questions.

The Fotodiox adapters have treated me well and I have their Nikon F->EF, C/Y->EF, and M42->EF.  People seem to think they are made in the U.S., but I don't know that to be true.  (I doubt it, actually.)

Generally, I steer clear of the super-cheap versions (I have a few M42->EF that aren't Fotodiox), but others have obviously not hesitated.

So far, I have not used an adapter with an element.  The consensus seems to be that you are better off avoiding that option, but it probably depends on how you plan to use the lens(es).  If you are after characterstics not related to optimum sharpness, I would definitely try one.  (I probably will try one, eventually, but there are so many adapter/lens combinations to consider without folding in such...elements.)

At some point, I stumbled on the 5D compatibility list of M42 lenses below and it has come in quite handy.
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« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2013, 01:28:01 PM »

At some point, I stumbled on the 5D compatibility list of M42 lenses below and it has come in quite handy.
http://www.panoramaplanet.de/comp/
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I made reference to this list as well but please do not rely on it 100%.

Both my lenses indicated in my previous post are reported to be not having problem : "mirror hits lens back when focussing to infinity" but in the real world, they have to be modified slightly to avoid mirror jam and err message.

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« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2013, 03:22:26 PM »
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« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2013, 09:13:23 AM »
Here's another one where the whole shot was built around the unique swirling effect of the Helios 44-2 bokeh.  I also have the 44-4, but don't find that the effect is pronounced (and don't like it as well).


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« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2013, 09:13:23 AM »