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« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2012, 02:16:46 PM »
Yesterday I was told, the 7d MK2, I am interrested in, will be @ about 2700€  (Canon product manager). This would be about 3500$.
Could this be true????? That is more than the 5D3 costs!!!!

Expect: fast shooting, fast AF. For all that need to shott fast things. No word about IQ.


EDIT: Need to correct: My wife told me, that the CM said that there will be an standard zoom added as an kit. Sorry, but I did not ask which one, because I was a little bit upset about the price and did not notice that he told that this would be a kit.
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« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2012, 03:19:27 PM »
Hard to believe that the 7DII will be more expensive than the 6D.

As per Canon's nomenclature, the 6D is a more premium model than the 7D.
So, unless Canon's marketing guys are out of wack, the 7DII won't be more expensive.

As I said in a previous post, I'm expecting that the 7DII price will remain the same as the 7D at introduction ($1699).
This is based on the expectation that the 7DII will be a warmed-over 7D but with a better sensor.

I could be wrong, of course, and the 7DII might get a price as high as the 6D.
Certainly not higher (again, unless Canon's marketing department has gone out of control).
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« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2012, 03:54:51 PM »
Hard to believe that the 7DII will be more expensive than the 6D.

As per Canon's nomenclature, the 6D is a more premium model than the 7D.
So, unless Canon's marketing guys are out of wack, the 7DII won't be more expensive.

As I said in a previous post, I'm expecting that the 7DII price will remain the same as the 7D at introduction ($1699).
This is based on the expectation that the 7DII will be a warmed-over 7D but with a better sensor.

I could be wrong, of course, and the 7DII might get a price as high as the 6D.
Certainly not higher (again, unless Canon's marketing department has gone out of control).

I was told that there will be an superior AF system inside. Like the porfessional cameras use. And with an very fast picture tranfer rate. And that has it´s price.

The Canon product expert was very self confident that Canon will stay the best Camaera producer in the world. He said, that millions of sold cameras show that they meet the needs of the customers. And if I am dissatisfied, I can make a switch to another firm. That would no matter....
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« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2012, 04:32:23 PM »
Hard to believe that the 7DII will be more expensive than the 6D.

As per Canon's nomenclature, the 6D is a more premium model than the 7D.
So, unless Canon's marketing guys are out of wack, the 7DII won't be more expensive.

As I said in a previous post, I'm expecting that the 7DII price will remain the same as the 7D at introduction ($1699).
This is based on the expectation that the 7DII will be a warmed-over 7D but with a better sensor.

I could be wrong, of course, and the 7DII might get a price as high as the 6D.
Certainly not higher (again, unless Canon's marketing department has gone out of control).

I was told that there will be an superior AF system inside. Like the porfessional cameras use. And with an very fast picture tranfer rate. And that has it´s price.

The Canon product expert was very self confident that Canon will stay the best Camaera producer in the world. He said, that millions of sold cameras show that they meet the needs of the customers. And if I am dissatisfied, I can make a switch to another firm. That would no matter....

It would make sense that if Canon included a kit lens it would be the 15-85.  Subtract around $700 for that and you have a $2800 7D which would not surprise me in the least considering the MSRP on the 5DIII when it was released.

Naming convention aside, the 6D would NOT be a higher end camera than a 7DII.  The 6D is essentially a FF rebel and other than sensor size, even the existing 7D has a spec sheet that's light years ahead, not even in the same universe as far as features go.  The 7DII would obviously be the higher end camera, not sure how someone could think otherwise.

The only part of the story that doesn't sound right is a Canon rep telling someone that Canon will remain #1 and unsatisfied customers can go elsewhere.  A statement like that could have a huge impact on a Company's image if it got out and caught traction.  Any representative worth his or her paycheck would NEVER make such a statement and expect to remain employed, even if they were talking amongst "friendly" company.  Just doesn't make sense.

I need something, anything related to the new sensor!!!!  Somebody PLEASE leak something. :D
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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2012, 05:01:14 PM »
If canon puts a 21-22 MP APS-H sensor with 8-10 fps on the new 7D2 .. i will buy one regardless of the price...

.... but i know this is near impossible.

APS-H is dead, deader than dead...get over it folks.  The hope/myth of a re-emergence of APS-H in a 7DII, 4D, 1D Mark V is hope-less.  It doesn't mean anything negative about the APS-H or the 1D Mark IV, it simply means the market has moved....and instead of APS-H, there are now "entry-level" (though I hate that phrase applied to FF) full-frame cameras now like the 6D and Nikon entries.  APS-H is six feet under.
You need to be careful about knowing the mind of Canon unless you have inside info your bold claim to know without doubt APS-H is dead debunks your credibility. How do you know the market has moved? While you may end up being right, you don't have the right to say something you don't know about as fact.

If i could afford a 1dx I'd get one without thinking too much but I can't. My 1dm3 when it needs a new shutter will get replaced with another camera. If a 7dII comes out with great specs, it may be the camera i get without waiting and the 1dm3 becomes a backup. If it has a flip screen i'll pass. I have been looking at 1dm4's but they are still too high in price. A good companion for my 5dm3 in a crop body will be ideal for using my 24LII to its potential. The 1dm3 with the 24LII isn't ideal with focus accuracy for some reason. The 5dm3 works well with it. Since the new focus systems of the 5dm3 and 1dx have improved a lot of peoples glass shooting at large apertures if the 7dII didn't do the same I wouldn't want it. I am addicted to the 5dm3 focus and don't want to go back, the most i would give it up for would be the 1dm4. I am shooting a lot more available light now so the 7dm2 must shoot clean iso 6400 iso for me to be happy. I think like others have mentioned that the next 7d will be the 1dm4 but smaller in a similar way the 6d doesn't trump the old 5dm2 but is lighter and cheaper even though its old tech. 1D cameras will always be much more camera even if specs match up.
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« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2012, 06:04:39 PM »
It's not difficult for me to grasp that the 7D Mk2 would be a higher level body and thus more expensive than the 6D.

AF ala 5D3 and 1DX
Weather Sealed-Mag body
Highest FPS except for 1D series
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More buttons on rear for single operations (as opposed to a cumbersome drill down menu system from less buttons)


If Canon gets the Noise issue taken care of above 1600 ISO then this could be a dream body for wildlife and sports shooters.

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« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2012, 06:14:43 PM »
Hard to believe that the 7DII will be more expensive than the 6D.

As per Canon's nomenclature, the 6D is a more premium model than the 7D.
So, unless Canon's marketing guys are out of wack, the 7DII won't be more expensive.

As I said in a previous post, I'm expecting that the 7DII price will remain the same as the 7D at introduction ($1699).
This is based on the expectation that the 7DII will be a warmed-over 7D but with a better sensor.

I could be wrong, of course, and the 7DII might get a price as high as the 6D.
Certainly not higher (again, unless Canon's marketing department has gone out of control).

I was told that there will be an superior AF system inside. Like the porfessional cameras use. And with an very fast picture tranfer rate. And that has it´s price.

The Canon product expert was very self confident that Canon will stay the best Camaera producer in the world. He said, that millions of sold cameras show that they meet the needs of the customers. And if I am dissatisfied, I can make a switch to another firm. That would no matter....

It would make sense that if Canon included a kit lens it would be the 15-85.  Subtract around $700 for that and you have a $2800 7D which would not surprise me in the least considering the MSRP on the 5DIII when it was released.

Naming convention aside, the 6D would NOT be a higher end camera than a 7DII.  The 6D is essentially a FF rebel and other than sensor size, even the existing 7D has a spec sheet that's light years ahead, not even in the same universe as far as features go.  The 7DII would obviously be the higher end camera, not sure how someone could think otherwise.

The only part of the story that doesn't sound right is a Canon rep telling someone that Canon will remain #1 and unsatisfied customers can go elsewhere.  A statement like that could have a huge impact on a Company's image if it got out and caught traction.  Any representative worth his or her paycheck would NEVER make such a statement and expect to remain employed, even if they were talking amongst "friendly" company.  Just doesn't make sense.

I need something, anything related to the new sensor!!!!  Somebody PLEASE leak something. :D

Sir, what I wrote is true. The sales representant was annoyed by many people that have been on the Nikon estate and saw the D600 and D800. Many asked, why their products are so expensive, have so much lesser MP,.... ( Nikon had about 10 Cameras to show to the visitors and they  allowed to use them and showed their pictures on an big screen. Canon only 1 6D and 2 5D3 and 2 650D.)
The exhibition was for everyone, not only photoenthusiasts. So many people were looking on how many MP one product has,...
And I told him, that - when I took the shots -  the AF was equal to the AF of the 5D3. And I claimed that there is much difference in the quality of their products, as I saw by myself in the last years.
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« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2012, 06:19:11 PM »
Well I for one want to be on the Canon estate. And ride their horses.

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« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2012, 08:11:37 PM »
Yesterday I was told, the 7d MK2, I am interested in, will be @ about 2700€  (Canon product manager). This would be about 3500$.
Could this be true????? That is more than the 5D3 costs!!!!
Expect: fast shooting, fast AF. For all that need to shot fast things. No word about IQ.
EDIT: Need to correct: My wife told me, that the CM said that there will be an standard zoom added as an kit. Sorry, but I did not ask which one, because I was a little bit upset about the price and did not notice that he told that this would be a kit.

If there is an expected price hike, then the optimist in me says this is good news. Why? The 7DII may well shift up a whole level and become the 1D4 replacement in terms of FPS, AF performance, iso performance, buffer depth etc.

While I wouldn't hold my breath for 1-Series level ergonomics, durability and weather sealing, I would expect a camera that will go a long way towards satisfying the day to day high performance needs of photographers who currently depend on 1D4 APS-H bodies. A high performance APS-C 7DII has the potential to save me the cost of a 1DX and a 400 f/2.8isII. Why? Because on APS-C vs FF my 300 f/2.8is will deliver the reach I need for my current clients needs, currently met with 1D4 bodies.

Still, no matter how strong the 7DII feature set ends up revealing itself as, one can't deny that the 1DX and 400 f/2.8isII combo will remain the gold standard for sports/action work.

-PW
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2012, 10:36:41 PM »
Yesterday I was told, the 7d MK2, I am interested in, will be @ about 2700€  (Canon product manager). This would be about 3500$.
Could this be true????? That is more than the 5D3 costs!!!!
Expect: fast shooting, fast AF. For all that need to shot fast things. No word about IQ.
EDIT: Need to correct: My wife told me, that the CM said that there will be an standard zoom added as an kit. Sorry, but I did not ask which one, because I was a little bit upset about the price and did not notice that he told that this would be a kit.

If there is an expected price hike, then the optimist in me says this is good news. Why? The 7DII may well shift up a whole level and become the 1D4 replacement in terms of FPS, AF performance, iso performance, buffer depth etc.

While I wouldn't hold my breath for 1-Series level ergonomics, durability and weather sealing, I would expect a camera that will go a long way towards satisfying the day to day high performance needs of photographers who currently depend on 1D4 APS-H bodies. A high performance APS-C 7DII has the potential to save me the cost of a 1DX and a 400 f/2.8isII. Why? Because on APS-C vs FF my 300 f/2.8is will deliver the reach I need for my current clients needs, currently met with 1D4 bodies.

Still, no matter how strong the 7DII feature set ends up revealing itself as, one can't deny that the 1DX and 400 f/2.8isII combo will remain the gold standard for sports/action work.

-PW

I actually have been thinking the same, that the 7D mk II would likely fill the hole left by the 1D MK IV. Those things sold really well (considering all around...)... I bet we will pay more for it, but get more for it. Expect the 70D to bounce up a bit.

A key example of this: The T4i. A seriously roided out rebel. Expect big things next year!
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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2012, 01:32:43 AM »
I actually have been thinking the same, that the 7D mk II would likely fill the hole left by the 1D MK IV. Those things sold really well (considering all around...)... I bet we will pay more for it, but get more for it. Expect the 70D to bounce up a bit.

A key example of this: The T4i. A seriously roided out rebel. Expect big things next year!

Seems to make the most sense to me, the 7D2 aiming at a higher end market and the 70D aiming for the 7D's current market.

It would make the most of the ASPC situation for Canon aswell, as a general purpose body a 1.6 rather than 1.5 crop is always going to make it difficult for them to compete on IQ but for an action/wildlife/sports specific body the extra range is a clear advanatge.

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« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2012, 04:01:16 AM »

I was told that there will be an superior AF system inside. Like the porfessional cameras use. And with an very fast picture tranfer rate. And that has it´s price.

The Canon product expert was very self confident that Canon will stay the best Camaera producer in the world. He said, that millions of sold cameras show that they meet the needs of the customers. And if I am dissatisfied, I can make a switch to another firm. That would no matter....

well said, canon product expert? ::)  i remembered many years back nikon told their users, nikon gave enough pixel for their work & hobby so dont ask for more despite there was a wide spread discontent among the users on mp & poorer iso their ccd gave compares to canon cmos. fast forward to now, nikon has the highest mp dslr, switch to cmos & the old management which said they gave enough, gave way to new.

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« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2012, 04:12:35 AM »

If there is an expected price hike, then the optimist in me says this is good news. Why? The 7DII may well shift up a whole level and become the 1D4 replacement in terms of FPS, AF performance, iso performance, buffer depth etc.

While I wouldn't hold my breath for 1-Series level ergonomics, durability and weather sealing, I would expect a camera that will go a long way towards satisfying the day to day high performance needs of photographers who currently depend on 1D4 APS-H bodies. A high performance APS-C 7DII has the potential to save me the cost of a 1DX and a 400 f/2.8isII. Why? Because on APS-C vs FF my 300 f/2.8is will deliver the reach I need for my current clients needs, currently met with 1D4 bodies.

Still, no matter how strong the 7DII feature set ends up revealing itself as, one can't deny that the 1DX and 400 f/2.8isII combo will remain the gold standard for sports/action work.

-PW

while i certainly welcome 7d2 with or exceeding 1d4 in feature & performance, the pricing must be competitive, we must not allow them to chop us like carrot effortlessly ;D high iso remains an issue for crop sensor if it can exceed d7000 performance that will draw alot of interest

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« Reply #73 on: December 03, 2012, 05:50:50 AM »
@ niccon:

This is the problem, not only @ photography.
Maybe Apple comes in this situation too.
It is clear, that if you would produce a Camera with 60MP and an super Iso-performance @ 2000$, the next day  some people regret 100MP @ 1000$ ...

But it is dissastisfying if you see some competitive producs that are superior, but Canon produc specialists say that everything they produce is the greatest of all....

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« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2012, 12:00:53 PM »
I don't understand all of this argueing and guessing what one needs on the camera.
A flip screen is fine in some situations, so why shoudn't we have it? Other cameras have it.
A build in flash shure, why not? Nikon has it too.
Wifi sounds nice just like GPS so give it to us.
Low noise at high iso is not a question for nikon, canon had allways some problems wit that.
If someone is using it or not is just an idivuduel thing.
Why should a Canon camera have not all the same features like an nikon or sony. To be the best camera on the market it has to have even more than that. Let everyone decied what buildin features they want to use but to make a choise you got to have in the first place.
The price should be as low posible so a lot of people can get one and canon will make some profit there.

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