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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2012, 05:15:19 PM »
Great, many thanks!
Can you post comparisons so we can see how it goes versus the 5DIII and the D600?

Sure! Give me a couple of minutes!

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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2012, 05:30:41 PM »
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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2012, 05:43:08 PM »
You could also try downloading the latest version of DPP. Canon must have updated that?  I don't have it installed on this laptop.

I just checked, the Canon site hasn't dpp for the 6d yet, the latest version is for the 5d3. But probably Canon will be faster with 6d dpp support than Adobe for Camera Raw / Lightroom.

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That's great, you get the award for the first 6d-5d3 comparison that makes sense :-) ! And as far as I can tell, the 6d actually does look *visibly* better than the 5d3, though I cannot tell how many stops and to be fair the 22mp of the 5d3 have to be downsized to 20mp. But maybe I'm wrong since there seems to be more color noise on the 5d3, but that's easier to remove.
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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2012, 06:15:25 PM »
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Thanks for posting!  It does look like the 6D is visibly a tad better than the 5D3.  However I'm guessing no more than 1/3 stop at best (likely just from the slightly larger pixels).  Still good to know Canon hasn't skimped out on the 6D sensor.   Of course it has been noted this is a per-production camera, but I don't think  anything is likely to have changed.
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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2012, 06:21:21 PM »
Of course it has been noted this is a per-production camera, but I don't think  anything is likely to have changed.

Well, you never know ... maybe Canon marketing figured that the final 6d model shouldn't be better than the 5d3 and have "tweaked" the sensor a bit in the last stage :-p

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2012, 06:24:05 PM »
And as far as I can tell, the 6d actually does look *visibly* better than the 5d3, though I cannot tell how many stops and to be fair the 22mp of the 5d3 have to be downsized to 20mp. But maybe I'm wrong since there seems to be more color noise on the 5d3, but that's easier to remove.
The cameras seem to be very close.  The 6D is perhaps a bit better, with less color noise.  If the difference can be measured, I think it would be much less than a full stop. 

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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2012, 08:44:55 PM »
They look about the same to me if you account for the 5DIII being a tad sharper and a tad "noisier" while the 6D is a tad cleaner but also a tad softer - meaning, by the time you run them thru processing I think you're going to end up the same place.

Now I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the center AF point gets it done in low light and has a really good hit ratio.

Can someone post where they found CR2s on that site? I d/l'd what was next to the RAW label and got some odd TIFFs.
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2012, 08:44:55 PM »

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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2012, 02:59:05 AM »
The cameras seem to be very close.  The 6D is perhaps a bit better, with less color noise.  If the difference can be measured, I think it would be much less than a full stop.

I installed CaptureOne myself, imported the 5d3/6d raw files I'd say after much more color noise reduction on the 5d3 the difference 5d3->6d is about 1/2 stop - which is more than nothing, given the fuzz that was made about the improvement 5d2->5d3. The real world difference might be that iso 12800 is more usable on the 6d.

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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2012, 06:07:45 AM »
you can open the RAWs with Infraview.  Maybe Rawtherapee works too.

IrfanView opens the preview JPEGs from RAWs. It doesn't decode RAWs.

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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2012, 06:12:37 AM »
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Very nice. I would say the difference is about 0.7 stops better for 6D (comparing ISO 12800 to 25600). Yummy!

(For a 1/3 stops difference, one would have to look hard to notice. That's the difference that I see between 5D3 and a normalized D800.)
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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2012, 06:30:15 AM »
Very nice. I would say the difference is about 0.7 stops better for 6D (comparing ISO 12800 to 25600). Yummy!

I just had a look again, and the 6d images are softer - that maybe because...

  • the pre-release raw converter is not up to it
  • the (preproduction!) 6d trades in a little sharpness for less noise, maybe because Canon doesn't expect 6d owners to shoot with sharp lenses anyway, but in low light :-p
  • some problem with the lens (50/1.8...)

The video samples of the preproduction model were said to suffer from the same thing. Btw it isn't as obvious at higher iso levels since the noise creates an impression of artifical sharpness, for the softness look at iso 800...

I guess we have to wait for raw samples from the *final* retail model with a more recent raw converter, I hope it shouldn't take long since the the 6d is already sold.

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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2012, 09:17:39 AM »
Do you guys think the 6D pics are overexposed in comparison to the 5DIII? I noticed that the shadows seem to be lighter on the 6D shots, with the white parts (e.g., white frame) looking the same (i.e., no overall overexposure). Would that mean better DR or is it nonsense?

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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2012, 09:56:37 AM »
Do you guys think the 6D pics are overexposed in comparison to the 5DIII?

I noticed that, too, but since it's raw w/o postprostprocessing I guess the lighting in the studio was slightly different, these are no 100% pro reviewer shots (the 5d3 shots have a little different framing to and are slightly skewed). But it means the shadows shouldn't be compared between 5d3/6d, but only the equally lit areas.

EDIT: I just remembered that the lighter shadows on the 6d could also mean it has more dynamic range than the 6d ... but really ... from Canon? Nah.
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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2012, 10:02:26 AM »
Of course it has been noted this is a per-production camera, but I don't think  anything is likely to have changed.

Well, you never know ... maybe Canon marketing figured that the final 6d model shouldn't be better than the 5d3 and have "tweaked" the sensor a bit in the last stage :-p

I doubt so. 6D already lacks several features and design choices that make it less appealing for people who want a "pro camera". The price of it is really high also and lots of people are still wondering who is gonna buy this camera. So i think if it has better ISO than 5d mk3 (even just a tad) its a really good argument to make people buy the camera. Plus i think "better ISO" draws people in anyway even its just like half stop or such :)


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Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2012, 11:46:20 AM »
Its raw files and i have used em in ACR 7, not impressed to soft and res is way down for a camera from 2012, good canon u made a entry level ff now lets wait 3 years and maybe the sensor dont suck

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