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Re: BUY 5d MkII now or WAIT for 5d MkIII????
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2011, 04:01:31 PM »
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If they sit on a 5DIII and continue producing the 5DII, then:


•people considering buying a 5DII would buy a 5DII


Exactly.  Canon will also consider the ramifications of sitting on technology that Nikon would release.  Certainly, Canon photographers who have tons of cash invested in lenses wouldn't switch BUT...potentially NEW photographers coming onto the scene would look at who offers the best products...and if all Canon offers up is a camera with 4-5 year old technology while Nikon just released something far better by not playing the game Canon was playing....

If Nikon were to jump way out in front because Canon sat back on 5dMii sales the results of that decision could be potentially devistating simply because they would likely miss out on the bulk of those new photographers.  Remember, Canon can't ignore the new photographers and assume that recycling their current customer base will sustain them.

It really isn't a game Canon wants to play.  They'll release their best stuff when their best stuff is ready to be released and not a minute later.

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Re: BUY 5d MkII now or WAIT for 5d MkIII????
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2011, 04:01:31 PM »

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« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2011, 07:37:18 PM »
My vote is to wait for the mark III.

I sold my Mark II last week because after a few months of using my 7D I became increasingly frustrated with the mark II for stills (I don't shoot video).
The focus points on the 5D are a joke compared to the 7D and I tended to waste a lot of frame real estate out of fear of using the waker focus points. This was my biggest grip with the mark I too.

My goal is to buy a second 7D (I need a backup as this is what I do for work) and sell it when the mark III comes out. I know the 7D will hold it's value compared to a Mark II once the new version comes out. 

I really miss the full frame but if I need full frame for a job I'll suck it up and rent a mark II. My fingers are crossed that we get an announcement in the next couple months.

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Re: BUY 5d MkII now or WAIT for 5d MkIII????
« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2011, 02:20:31 AM »

Sure, if you can get closer to the subject or use a longer lens, instead of having to crop, the 5DII will produce better IQ.  But that's from a reductionist standpoint - the IQ will be better assuming the 5DII can accurately focus and track the subject if motion is involved, and that the frame rate is adequate to capture 'the moment'.  Here's a shot with my 7D that would have been a real challenge for a 5DII, perhaps too much of a challenge:


That's just it. I've  had to learn the art of sneaking up on wildlife this past year and praying they hold still. But,for me, it's been more to do with how to make the most out of a full-frame (scene) rather than just chopping out what looks good.


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Re: WAIT for 5d MkIII
« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2011, 05:12:48 PM »
I sold my Mark II last week because after a few months of using my 7D I became increasingly frustrated with the mark II for stills (I don't shoot video).
The focus points on the 5D are a joke compared to the 7D and I tended to waste a lot of frame real estate out of fear of using the waker focus points. This was my biggest grip with the mark I too.

My goal is to buy a second 7D (I need a backup as this is what I do for work) and sell it when the mark III comes out. I know the 7D will hold it's value compared to a Mark II once the new version comes out. 

what a pity! we could exchange our cameras! I'm quite disappointed by the fact that my 5D MkII is incomparably better than my 7D and if a MkIII wasn't on the final approach, I will trade my 7D for a seconfd 5D MkII body! :-)

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« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2011, 05:26:28 PM »
I'm quite disappointed by the fact that my 5D MkII is incomparably better than my 7D

"Incomparably better?"  Ever tried to shoot a bird in flight or a toddler running towards you with AI Servo on your 5DII?  Tried shooting small birds from a substantial distance, without the benefit of a 600mm lens?  Tried capturing 'the moment' in a quick action series with less than 4 fps?  I have, and I've been disappointed with the 5DII in those situations.  Yes, from a pure IQ standpoint the 5DII's sensor is better - but that's only true if the rest of the system allows you to get the shot, and there are situations where the 5DII just doesn't make that easy.  IMO, it's about using the right tool for the job - I suspect Canon feels that way, too, and that's why even at the top end they offer two flavors of the 1-series, geared toward different primary applications.
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« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2011, 12:03:36 AM »
I've been waiting for 6 months to upgrade my (antique) 350D to a full frame sensor.  I've got a trip to Mongolia coming up and desperately wanted a better camera.  I just brought a 5D Mk1 on eBay to see me through.  So happy with the improved IQ over the 350D, and the full size sensor  :D.

Got it in USA for $1,000 + postage, but I live in Thailand where they're going for $1,350 2nd hand.  So I think that when the Mkiii comes out the price in Thailand will drop to what I paid in the USA and I should make my money back, or at least come close  ;)

Got a good deal on 16-35 Mk2 also :)

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Re: WAIT for 5d MkIII
« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2011, 02:12:42 AM »
I'm quite disappointed by the fact that my 5D MkII is incomparably better than my 7D

"Incomparably better?"  Ever tried to shoot a bird in flight or a toddler running towards you with AI Servo on your 5DII?  Tried shooting small birds from a substantial distance, without the benefit of a 600mm lens?  Tried capturing 'the moment' in a quick action series with less than 4 fps?  I have, and I've been disappointed with the 5DII in those situations.  Yes, from a pure IQ standpoint the 5DII's sensor is better - but that's only true if the rest of the system allows you to get the shot, and there are situations where the 5DII just doesn't make that easy.  IMO, it's about using the right tool for the job - I suspect Canon feels that way, too, and that's why even at the top end they offer two flavors of the 1-series, geared toward different primary applications.

neuroanatomist, you are right and I'm sorry... Whenever I posted my disappointment about 7D vs 5DMkII, I always wrote 'in MY range', and this time I forgot to do so... The situations you presented are not my situations, at least not my usual situations. As I reported many times, for my typical situations (architecture, landscape and macros), I focus with just the central point, to be able to choose the exact point to be sharp. I'm not saying, for that reason, that the 7D is not a beautiful and better camera, in its range, but that in a lot of situations the quality of 5DMkII overperforms the 7D's...

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« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2011, 08:53:10 AM »
for my typical situations (architecture, landscape and macros), I focus with just the central point, to be able to choose the exact point to be sharp. I'm not saying, for that reason, that the 7D is not a beautiful and better camera, in its range, but that in a lot of situations the quality of 5DMkII overperforms the 7D's...

Absolutely - and that's why I use my 5DII for portraits, landscapes, architecture, and macro work. 
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« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2011, 12:57:13 PM »
I think Canon somehow decide to completely move to mass-product market instead of PRO. Basically it means they will shrink down most of the innovation in PRO area. Models we have now could be most advanced DSLR - cameras they ever made. We definitely wont see anything significantly new from Canon this year related to High End products.

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« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2011, 07:24:12 PM »
I think Canon somehow decide to completely move to mass-product market instead of PRO. Basically it means they will shrink down most of the innovation in PRO area. Models we have now could be most advanced DSLR - cameras they ever made. We definitely wont see anything significantly new from Canon this year related to High End products.

Lots of people complain that Canon is ignoring the consumer lenses and concentrating on the high end pro lenses.  The new 300mm f/2.8, 400mm f/2.8, 500mm f/4, 600mm f/4, 70-300mm L, and the 8mm-15mm L are all PRO lenses and recently released or announced.  There is allso a 200-400mmL zoom in development.

While all this happened, Canon changed the paint job on the 18-55mm IS and the 55-250mm IS consumer lenses.


As far as new bodies, lots of people have spotted test models of new high end cameras being tested in the field.  I do not think that all of this means they are abandoning the PRO market, just the opposite.

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Re: BUY 5d MkII now or WAIT for 5d MkIII????
« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2011, 02:07:54 AM »
Well, they definitely NOT abandoning PRO market :) They just don't care much about it!

Where is my damn  5D mark III or NEX FS - 100 competitor !?
No matter what it will be released next day after I buy 5D mark II ha - ha - ha!

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« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2011, 04:22:29 PM »
I wouldn't call them (5DMII and 7D) equals.  plus I'll have $500 in my pocket after buying a 7D.

don't get me wrong there are a lot of features the 5D is better than the 7D - for me the color and ISO isn't on the same level as the 7D. But the focusing issues on the 5D are what prompted the sale of the 7D.


I sold my Mark II last week because after a few months of using my 7D I became increasingly frustrated with the mark II for stills (I don't shoot video).
The focus points on the 5D are a joke compared to the 7D and I tended to waste a lot of frame real estate out of fear of using the waker focus points. This was my biggest grip with the mark I too.

My goal is to buy a second 7D (I need a backup as this is what I do for work) and sell it when the mark III comes out. I know the 7D will hold it's value compared to a Mark II once the new version comes out. 

what a pity! we could exchange our cameras! I'm quite disappointed by the fact that my 5D MkII is incomparably better than my 7D and if a MkIII wasn't on the final approach, I will trade my 7D for a seconfd 5D MkII body! :-)

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« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2011, 04:25:45 PM »
Before i bought the 5DMII my previous bodies were a 30D and 5DMI, so up until i used the 7D and it opened up my eyes to what focusing should be like i didn't know better. I was beginning to think i needed a 1D series body but it looks like canon finally listened to all of us that don't need a 1D series camera. Fingers crossed for the 5DMIII.

color and clarity wise (not too mention the loss of frame "real estate") the 5dMII produced a better quality photo. But for me when i miss a shot because of focus, none of that matters.

for my typical situations (architecture, landscape and macros), I focus with just the central point, to be able to choose the exact point to be sharp. I'm not saying, for that reason, that the 7D is not a beautiful and better camera, in its range, but that in a lot of situations the quality of 5DMkII overperforms the 7D's...

Absolutely - and that's why I use my 5DII for portraits, landscapes, architecture, and macro work.

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« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2011, 07:40:59 AM »
I am sitting here waiting...
I could buy a 5dMk2 but I need to sell my 17-55 f/2.8 IS, as it is an EF-S lens...

my problem is that I can't afford to actually replace that lens!
I am now stuck, as I have started reading rumours.... uh-oh the slippery slope is waiting!
my problem is that my head is telling me, wait until you can afford a complete replacement
(5DMk2 + 17-40L + 50 f/1.4)
but... my head then tells me you know a 5DMk3 could be announced tomorrow and you could end up kicking yourself!

I am now tempted to switch my 17-55 for a 17-40L in preparation and swap my 50 f/1.8 for the f/1.4 USM
but again my head tells me... they might release a lens with the 5D3

Arrrgh, this is killing me! I am turning schizophrenic, next I will be hopping around and talking about "My Preciousssss!"

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« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2011, 08:26:17 AM »
I am sitting here waiting...
I could buy a 5dMk2 but I need to sell my 17-55 f/2.8 IS, as it is an EF-S lens...

my problem is that I can't afford to actually replace that lens!
I am now stuck, as I have started reading rumours.... uh-oh the slippery slope is waiting!
my problem is that my head is telling me, wait until you can afford a complete replacement
(5DMk2 + 17-40L + 50 f/1.4)
but... my head then tells me you know a 5DMk3 could be announced tomorrow and you could end up kicking yourself!

I am now tempted to switch my 17-55 for a 17-40L in preparation and swap my 50 f/1.8 for the f/1.4 USM
but again my head tells me... they might release a lens with the 5D3

Arrrgh, this is killing me! I am turning schizophrenic, next I will be hopping around and talking about "My Preciousssss!"

 :o
Like everyone says: buy it if you need it.  Money-wise unless something crazy happens that causes tings to skyrocket, the more mileage you can get out of an existing body, the better off you are.

Right now does happen to be a good time to sell the 50mm f1.8; if you were careful about catching a deal/watching the price, you could probably pick up the f1.4 ~$375 -- watch Amazon/Newegg for promos etc.

The only thing you can really do wrong at this point (since you're determined to go FF) is to buy any more EF-S lenses . . .
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Re: BUY 5d MkII now or WAIT for 5d MkIII????
« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2011, 08:26:17 AM »