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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2012, 05:37:22 PM »
Clearly IQ isn't the most important thing in photojournalism. It's all about capturing stories. Canon is great for this because of the speed and ergonomics. Some of those pictures aren't the greatest compositionally, creatively, etc, but they tell a story. Obviously stats from say studio photographers are going to be totally different.

Pretty obvious stuff, and I don't even know anything.

Even if that is a valid point, Nikon seems dramatically under-represented in the stats.  There must be some other reason for that.  If the photos are largely shot by Reuters staff togs, that may be due to a business relationship between Reuters and Canon.  If you think purely of large sports events - there are not that dramatically more big white lenses than black ones in the photos that circulate the web.
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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2012, 05:50:21 PM »
Just to play devils advocate here. The most used knives in the world of professional chefs are Victorinox, and that has not much to do with excellence in steel or sharpness. It has to do with the fact that Victorinox has been very successful in pushing out knives set (suitcases with basic, intermidiate, and advanced sets) to pretty much cooking students all over :) They can get away with a basic suitcase for the same price as two Kai Shun knives...
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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2012, 06:00:14 PM »
I'm really surprised at the use of f/2.8 out of everything there. I thought for sure f/4 would be the most prominent.
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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2012, 06:47:42 PM »
Just to play devils advocate here. The most used knives in the world of professional chefs are Victorinox, and that has not much to do with excellence in steel or sharpness. It has to do with the fact that Victorinox has been very successful in pushing out knives set (suitcases with basic, intermidiate, and advanced sets) to pretty much cooking students all over :) They can get away with a basic suitcase for the same price as two Kai Shun knives...
That's a fair point.  Popularity doesn't prove superiority.  Indeed, I think most photographers could quickly adapt to systems from any of the major camera makers and produce equally good work.  Likewise, the work doesn't prove superiority, as the Nikon and Canon pictures in the set are of equal quality.

However, I'm not sure how far your knife analogy extends to the camera world.  I'm not aware of Canon pushing out super-cheap gear to photography students.  There may well be a deal between them and Reuters, though clearly some of the photographers are still shooting other brands notwithstanding any such deal.

I am aware of huge student discounts offered by Adobe on their software.  At the same time, many professionals would buy Adobe's Photoshop and Lightroom without ever having received a student discount.

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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2012, 06:53:43 PM »
its not the camera that makes the difference it is the guy pressing the button

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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2012, 09:08:55 PM »
Just to play devils advocate here. The most used knives in the world of professional chefs are Victorinox, and that has not much to do with excellence in steel or sharpness. It has to do with the fact that Victorinox has been very successful in pushing out knives set (suitcases with basic, intermidiate, and advanced sets) to pretty much cooking students all over :) They can get away with a basic suitcase for the same price as two Kai Shun knives...

That is why I am wondering if the preponderance of Canon in the stats is due to a commercial arrangement between Reuters and Canon.  For instance, does Reuters have an arrangement with Canon, which gives Reuters staff access to preferential pricing from Canon?
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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2012, 09:17:17 PM »
Clearly IQ isn't the most important thing in photojournalism. It's all about capturing stories. Canon is great for this because of the speed and ergonomics. Some of those pictures aren't the greatest compositionally, creatively, etc, but they tell a story. Obviously stats from say studio photographers are going to be totally different.

Pretty obvious stuff, and I don't even know anything.

Even if that is a valid point, Nikon seems dramatically under-represented in the stats.  There must be some other reason for that.  If the photos are largely shot by Reuters staff togs, that may be due to a business relationship between Reuters and Canon.  If you think purely of large sports events - there are not that dramatically more big white lenses than black ones in the photos that circulate the web.

Yeah I suspect there must be a business deal between Canon and Reuters.  There was a time when pro sports shooters were almost all Canon for their superior auto focus (that's one of the reasons Canon became the world leader in photography).  However the difference is marginal at best now days, and I would expect too see more Nikon in that list.
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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2012, 09:30:17 PM »
Interesting that the 2 most popular lenses are the 16-35 and 70-200.  My guess is that they are the most useful for storytelling, and make an efficient combination together.

Most of the photojournalists and wedding photographers I know/have seen work use the 16-35mm and the 70-200 combo.  I think it's largely because 40-65mm tends to be a kind of boring range.  It's the normal range that we are all used to seeing.  16-35mm is great for capturing a subject and their environment, and 70-200mm is great for subject isolation (and getting closer when you physically can't).   It's the combo I would choose to shoot with if I did photojournalism. 
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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2012, 10:07:53 AM »
Just to play devils advocate here. The most used knives in the world of professional chefs are Victorinox, and that has not much to do with excellence in steel or sharpness. It has to do with the fact that Victorinox has been very successful in pushing out knives set (suitcases with basic, intermidiate, and advanced sets) to pretty much cooking students all over :) They can get away with a basic suitcase for the same price as two Kai Shun knives...

That is why I am wondering if the preponderance of Canon in the stats is due to a commercial arrangement between Reuters and Canon.  For instance, does Reuters have an arrangement with Canon, which gives Reuters staff access to preferential pricing from Canon?

It's my understanding that Reuters' tool of trade, supplied to and used by their staff photographers, is Canon.

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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2012, 06:18:39 PM »
It's my understanding that Reuters' tool of trade, supplied to and used by their staff photographers, is Canon.

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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2012, 08:06:05 PM »
Just to play devils advocate here. The most used knives in the world of professional chefs are Victorinox, and that has not much to do with excellence in steel or sharpness. It has to do with the fact that Victorinox has been very successful in pushing out knives set (suitcases with basic, intermidiate, and advanced sets) to pretty much cooking students all over :) They can get away with a basic suitcase for the same price as two Kai Shun knives...

That is why I am wondering if the preponderance of Canon in the stats is due to a commercial arrangement between Reuters and Canon.  For instance, does Reuters have an arrangement with Canon, which gives Reuters staff access to preferential pricing from Canon?

It's my understanding that Reuters' tool of trade, supplied to and used by their staff photographers, is Canon.

How did you come to that understanding?  Can you give us some link or proof?  We want to be enlightened also.  I wonder about those photogs in Reuters that weren't using Canon.  Maybe, they are rebels...  oops... that's Canon.  :D

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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2012, 10:05:03 PM »

It's my understanding that Reuters' tool of trade, supplied to and used by their staff photographers, is Canon.

How did you come to that understanding?  Can you give us some link or proof?  We want to be enlightened also.  I wonder about those photogs in Reuters that weren't using Canon.  Maybe, they are rebels...  oops... that's Canon.  :D

I thought it was common knowledge but now that you ask, I can only offer circumstantial evidence. I've seen images of various Reuters inventory over the years and as far as I recall, it has always been Canon, though I'm happy to be corrected. You may recall Reuters' 1DX motorised rigs for the Olympic swimming, and here's an inventory sample from the royal wedding.



If you search "reuters photographer" on Youtube, you'll be hard-pressed to find Reuters stickers on anything other than Canon gear. They do have a Nikon 1200-1700mm zoom but even that is converted to a Canon fit.

http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/8068

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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2012, 10:21:26 PM »
Looks like Reuters has almost as much Canon stuff as Neuro does ;D
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« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2012, 10:35:57 PM »

It's my understanding that Reuters' tool of trade, supplied to and used by their staff photographers, is Canon.

How did you come to that understanding?  Can you give us some link or proof?  We want to be enlightened also.  I wonder about those photogs in Reuters that weren't using Canon.  Maybe, they are rebels...  oops... that's Canon.  :D

I thought it was common knowledge but now that you ask, I can only offer circumstantial evidence. I've seen images of various Reuters inventory over the years and as far as I recall, it has always been Canon, though I'm happy to be corrected. You may recall Reuters' 1DX motorised rigs for the Olympic swimming, and here's an inventory sample from the royal wedding.



If you search "reuters photographer" on Youtube, you'll be hard-pressed to find Reuters stickers on anything other than Canon gear. They do have a Nikon 1200-1700mm zoom but even that is converted to a Canon fit.

http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/8068

I'm just playing around... :)  But I've got this friend who's a field reporter for Reuters in Philippines.  She just told me that Reuters photogs prefers Canon bodies just because they already have a lot of Canon lenses collected since the time Canon first adopted AF.  They didn't mind changing to other system because of that.  Some new photogs are using Nikon but not much since they can't take advantage of some lenses that are available already to them.  I guess you can say that they don't mind the brand.  What they really mind is that there's an equipment they can use right away.

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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2012, 09:48:32 AM »
If you search "reuters photographer" on Youtube, you'll be hard-pressed to find Reuters stickers on anything other than Canon gear.

For a photojournalist, the most important thing is to get the shot.  It seems clear that Reuters, one of the world's premiere news agencies, believes that Canon is the best choice for that demanding task - the best gear for the job.

But, apparently, Nikon makes a better monopod cover.   :P :P :P
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