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Normal Lens or High-End Compact?
« on: December 05, 2012, 08:33:49 AM »
My telephoto lenses are flawless works of perfection - 100 2.0 and 200 2.8, but I can't seem to figure out what's the "best" normal zoom or prime (for my T1i).  I currently have a Sigma 30 1.4, but it just doesn't blow me out like the telephoto primes do.  I'm considering, though, the venerable 17-55 (will likely upgrade to the 7D II one day).
Has anyone thrown in the towel and just use a high-end compact for the normal range/general photography, travel, etc. and the DSLR for sports? 
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« on: December 05, 2012, 08:33:49 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2012, 09:42:41 AM »
Has anyone ever used so many emoticons strung together?  *wink*

IMO, the EF-S 17-55mm is the best general purpose zoom for APS-C.  But primes will often give better IQ (there are exceptions) and almost always thinner DoF, etc., since f/2.8 is the fastest zoom available. 

The IQ from your T1i and a 17-55mm will far exceed what you'd get from a high-end P&S in almost all cases.  I do have an S100, but that's only for times when it's just not feasible to bring the dSLR (the S100 fits in a pocket, which is why I have no real interest in a G-series, etc., although the Sony RX-100 is tempting for the larger sensor in the same size chassis).
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2012, 10:12:56 AM »
Thanks.  Maybe, then, getting the 40 2.8 for when traveling light is a great thing.  That leaves a 17-55 vs Sigma 30 1.4 debate.  On image quality alone would the 17-55 maybe be preferred in most cases?  I'm getting good with my flash and don't really need less than 2.8 for non-indoor sports pics. 

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Re: Normal Lens or High-End Compact?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2012, 10:55:58 AM »
+1 for the shorty forty however it is an odd length on a crop.

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2012, 10:57:30 AM »
+1 for the shorty forty however it is an odd length on a crop.

64 is an even number.   :P

I do like the 40/2.8 on my 1D X, though...
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Re: Normal Lens or High-End Compact?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2012, 11:42:01 AM »
funny you ask this as I have been walking around a lot with my 70-200 and not bothering to take any other lens with me and using my iphone as my wide angle camera.  Seems to work for me, IQ is on par with just about any other mid range PS out there plus it has the advantage of being very light and something Id take with me anyway.  It also is the best PS on the market for taking the photograph, doing some quick pp through snapseed and off to my facebook or flickr accounts.  But if that doesn't work for you I'd invest in the 17-55 f2.8 IS over any of the wide to normal primes especially on APS C.  Its way more flexible and you don't lose much if anything in the IQ department.  My 17-55 was glued to my 7d. 

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2012, 11:56:11 AM »
funny you ask this as I have been walking around a lot with my 70-200 and not bothering to take any other lens with me and using my iphone as my wide angle camera.  Seems to work for me, IQ is on par with just about any other mid range PS out there plus it has the advantage of being very light and something Id take with me anyway.  It also is the best PS on the market for taking the photograph, doing some quick pp through snapseed and off to my facebook or flickr accounts.  But if that doesn't work for you I'd invest in the 17-55 f2.8 IS over any of the wide to normal primes especially on APS C.  Its way more flexible and you don't lose much if anything in the IQ department.  My 17-55 was glued to my 7d.

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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2012, 01:31:19 PM »
funny you ask this as I have been walking around a lot with my 70-200 and not bothering to take any other lens with me and using my iphone as my wide angle camera.  Seems to work for me, IQ is on par with just about any other mid range PS out there plus it has the advantage of being very light and something Id take with me anyway.  It also is the best PS on the market for taking the photograph, doing some quick pp through snapseed and off to my facebook or flickr accounts.  But if that doesn't work for you I'd invest in the 17-55 f2.8 IS over any of the wide to normal primes especially on APS C.  Its way more flexible and you don't lose much if anything in the IQ department.  My 17-55 was glued to my 7d.

If you're taking photos with facebook or flickr as the only location of the end-product, you don't need a DSLR.

what a terrible post, majority of the people who have dslrs dont need them but its a hobby. you didnt need to post this but yet you did.

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2012, 02:36:50 PM »
If you're taking photos with facebook or flickr as the only location of the end-product, you don't need a DSLR.

Sure you don't NEED a DSLR for Facebook pictures, sort of like you don't NEED electricity to survive, however I can always tell the difference.  Compare side-by-side a 5D3+85MM 1.2L vs an iPhone, and even if the pic is downsized to web quality through facebook, you will see a massive difference.

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Re: Normal Lens or High-End Compact?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2012, 03:36:22 PM »
funny you ask this as I have been walking around a lot with my 70-200 and not bothering to take any other lens with me and using my iphone as my wide angle camera.  Seems to work for me, IQ is on par with just about any other mid range PS out there plus it has the advantage of being very light and something Id take with me anyway.  It also is the best PS on the market for taking the photograph, doing some quick pp through snapseed and off to my facebook or flickr accounts.  But if that doesn't work for you I'd invest in the 17-55 f2.8 IS over any of the wide to normal primes especially on APS C.  Its way more flexible and you don't lose much if anything in the IQ department.  My 17-55 was glued to my 7d.

If you're taking photos with facebook or flickr as the only location of the end-product, you don't need a DSLR.

...you see I was simply comparing an iphone to a mid range PS and noting the benefits that you can fire it off to facebook or flickr with the swipe of a finger.  Different strokes for different folks, I enjoy the portability of the iphone and not carrying around a bag full of lenses.  I know this may be sacrilegious to some but sometimes I don't even bring a camera on an outing :o as I enjoy the company of my wife and kids a lot more than taking photos  :)

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Re: Normal Lens or High-End Compact?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2012, 04:07:10 PM »
My telephoto lenses are flawless works of perfection - 100 2.0 and 200 2.8, but I can't seem to figure out what's the "best" normal zoom or prime (for my T1i).  I currently have a Sigma 30 1.4, but it just doesn't blow me out like the telephoto primes do.  I'm considering, though, the venerable 17-55 (will likely upgrade to the 7D II one day).
Has anyone thrown in the towel and just use a high-end compact for the normal range/general photography, travel, etc. and the DSLR for sports? 
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It really depends on you on compact vs. DSLR.  I'd choose the DSLR every time; my wife would choose the P&S every time if she even remembers to bring a camera.  A lot of people choose their phone cams over a dedicated camera.  I like having a high quality source that I can print large if I want to later.

Have you checked your Sigma 30 on another body that has AFMA?  Are the pictures not sharp wide open?  The 17-55 is a nice lens, but good primes would still beat it out.  I'd test out the new canon 35 f/2 and sigma 35 f/1.4 and the 17-55 before deciding among them.

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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2012, 04:21:25 PM »
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That leaves a 17-55 vs Sigma 30 1.4 debate.  On image quality alone would the 17-55 maybe be preferred in most cases?  I'm getting good with my flash and don't really need less than 2.8 for non-indoor sports pics. 

I have the Sigma 30 and the Canon 15-85, and I'd say that within its aperture range the Canon IQ is better than the Sigma, so I would expect that to go for the 17-55 as well.  But I still like using the Sigma as a walkaround lens, partly because its a prime (so I have to think a bit more) and partly because it handles very nicely.  I find the Canon heavy and bulky (clumsy?) by comparison, and the 17-55 is bigger and heavier still.

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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2012, 04:36:49 PM »
The Shorty Forty is an amazing little lens.
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2012, 04:42:54 PM »
Have you checked your Sigma 30 on another body that has AFMA?  Are the pictures not sharp wide open?  The 17-55 is a nice lens, but good primes would still beat it out.  I'd test out the new canon 35 f/2 and sigma 35 f/1.4 and the 17-55 before deciding among them.
Thanks for the responses.  Just tried a 17-55 and, as it turns out, I like my Sigma 30 1.4 better.  I'm just spoiled by my telephoto primes I guess.  I'll just stick with the Sigma for awhile.  I wonder if a Canon 24 1.4 II would be the answer or maybe the Canon 35 1.4 II one day. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2012, 05:34:12 PM »
Have you checked your Sigma 30 on another body that has AFMA?  Are the pictures not sharp wide open?  The 17-55 is a nice lens, but good primes would still beat it out.  I'd test out the new canon 35 f/2 and sigma 35 f/1.4 and the 17-55 before deciding among them.

Add the new Canon 40mm and Voigtländer 20mm pancakes to that list, and you've covered pretty much everything I'd say on the topic.

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