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sigma 12-24 mk II
« on: June 22, 2011, 06:40:11 AM »
Sorry that i put this one in a Canonrumor. But i wonder if anybody has tried this lens. I know that mk I version is crushed by the ef 17-40 http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=100&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=3&LensComp=369&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=3 . But i need something really wide and would buy the Sigma if mk II is better than mk I

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sigma 12-24 mk II
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Re: sigma 12-24 mk II
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2011, 03:24:09 AM »
Don't you think it would be a good idea to tell us whether you use a FF or crop body?  A 12 - 24mm on a FF is a very different lens than on a crop!

Assuming you are proposing a FF body, it's a massive FoV and images do get distorted as they are changed from 360° to rectilinear, sometimes they look plain odd.  Then there are the lens / sensor issues.  Sensors are often not perfectly flat, (it would be nice if they were) and sometimes they are not even level, but a lens this wide needs perfect alignment.  My copy was always sharp on one side & soft on the other, Sigma couldn't fix it, and my suspicions are that the sensor in my 5D MkII is slightly missaligned (it is in nearly all of them).  For most applications this doesn't matter, but 12mm is just that bit too far.

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2011, 06:12:25 AM »
I use 1 D mk III

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2011, 03:57:00 AM »
As far as I know, the Sigma 12-24 mk II was announced, but is not yet on the market. I've heard it's not unusual for Sigma to take a long time between announcement and making the lens available.

I guess you'll have to wait for the reviews.

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Re: sigma 12-24 mk II
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 05:20:29 PM »
Yes I'm resurrecting an old thread, but the Sigma AF 12-24mm f 4.5-5.6 HSM DG II lens has been on the market for a few months now. I have the original which I use for interiors, it's OK at f/11 but really is a fairly limited lens.

A Google search for reviews on the MkII lens doesn't reveal much. PhotoZone has done a technical test on the lens, but without the context of comparison with the original. Indications suggest the MkII is a comprehensive improvement over the MkI...but...

Do any CR shooters have practical experience with both lenses on FF?

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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2011, 04:10:41 AM »
I've recently bought a Sigma 12-24 mk II, and beside the fact that it still has flare, e.g. see reply #151 in this thread, I can't say much.

If you want me to test it under specific conditions with a 5DmkII, I could try to accomodate over the weekend.

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Re: sigma 12-24 mk II
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2011, 06:15:06 AM »
I've recently bought a Sigma 12-24 mk II, and beside the fact that it still has flare, e.g. see reply #151 in this thread, I can't say much.

If you want me to test it under specific conditions with a 5DmkII, I could try to accommodate over the weekend.

Just a viewpoint based on experience with the lens so far would be great.

Thanks, Paul Wright

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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2011, 08:04:36 AM »
To make a viewpoint based on little experience ...

As the promotional material says, the new coating reduces flare significantly compared to the mkI, but (see above) does not completely eliminate it.

I usually use this lens on a tripod & aperture relatively closed (~f/11), and I'm happy with both color and sharpness. Definitely doesn't compete with Canon L lenses I've used (135mm f/2L, 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II USM).

Haven't noticed any chromatic aberations (which I've noticed in 85mm f/1.8 and defished w/ DxO photos of the EF 15mm f/2.8), but I wasn't pixel peeping.

I've volounteered myself w/ equipment as assistance videographer for a friend's clip, and both the videographer & friend liked the lens' effect and everything taken with this lens went into the final version (which, IMHO, is what counts). Do note the video is at lower resolution and view size than the 5D's full resolution. When going into shade in late afternoon, the widest aperture was too slow to shoot video comfortably, so we switched to 50mm f/1.4.


My basic attitude is there's nothing to compete with this lens at the wide end, definitely not at it's price range, so I didn't check the horse's teeth.

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Re: sigma 12-24 mk II
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2011, 09:14:11 AM »
Funny I was researching this lens yesterday: Here's the impression I got:

Old lens has less distortion, infact for 12mm it is very good. However it suffers from some softness in the corners. This is usually not an issue unless you really look, but it is there and needs to be mentioned.

New Lens: Sharper in the corners open wide is sharper than the 17-40: stopped down, 17-40 begins to catch up, but the sigma has huge width advantage should you need it, and infact is THE widest lens available on FF. Bad news is if you are into architectural photography, it has complex distortion patterns, not simple barrel fixed by PS but tri-modal, that distortion can be distracting; I am not sure if DxO has a fix for it yet, but I read somewhere that someone had a fix for it... I forget where.

Both old and new have their advantages, none is perfect, then again we ask for perfection but seldom really need it, unless we are specialists in a certain type of photography, in which case, you know which one to get.  ;)
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 09:59:24 AM »
I am not sure if DxO has a fix for it yet, but I read somewhere that someone had a fix for it... I forget where.

Last I checked, several Canon cameras have DxO modules for the old lens, but the new one isn't even planned now.

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Re: sigma 12-24 mk II
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 10:29:35 AM »
Personally, I don't care that much for "perfection" in all aspects when it comes to the lenses, the more advanced the lens the more pronounced are some of the flows, like chromatic aberrations which personally, I hate.
Sigma has very serious problem that somehow not many people are talking about, and that is a color shift in the vignetting, or in other words center of the image has different color than the corners. If you are pushing in PS some contrast, or levels this becomes evident and annoying, corners are getting dirty amber tint, while center stays crisp with clear blues and greens.
This is not easy to correct manually and I am pretty sure there are no perfect solutions in the correcting profiles.
This is why my 12-24 classic only occasionally is being used.

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Re: sigma 12-24 mk II
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2011, 04:59:29 AM »
Sigma has very serious problem that somehow not many people are talking about, and that is a color shift in the vignetting, or in other words center of the image has different color than the corners. If you are pushing in PS some contrast, or levels this becomes evident and annoying, corners are getting dirty amber tint, while center stays crisp with clear blues and greens.
This is why my 12-24 classic only occasionally is being used.

Sunnystate I have to agree, the 12-24 is an occasional use lens at the best of times. And only at f/11. 

But doesn't it save your backside when you need 12mm? My six years old 12-24 MkI doesn't have the issues you describe. Maybe I scored a good copy.

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2011, 05:07:25 AM »
sigma may have a spread issue with the quality of their lenses... but I own a classic 12-24 and I'm actually very pleased with it. I think its quite sharp wide open... (if you don't look at the corners)
If you get a decent one, its quite a bargain... and I would never give mine away for a 17-40 canon.

are there any reliable tests of the mkII out there? I never really looked...

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Re: sigma 12-24 mk II
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2012, 11:45:35 AM »
I'm wondering if anyone is using this lens who also owns the 14MM L2.8II?  From everything I can find it appears to be quite a nice lens, and for 1/2 the cost of a new 14MML MkII, it could be a less risky investment.  Opinions welcome!  (photo evidence too...haha:)

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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2012, 03:22:08 PM »
I have the 12-24mm II which I use with a 5DII. I also have a 17-40 so I can offer a direct comparison.

My Sigma copy is sharper across the frame than the 17-40 at equivalent focal lengths and apertures. The Sigma's extreme corners soften at its widest focal lengths. By 'extreme corners', I mean the outermost 3% or so of the image. This image from photozone.de illustrates it.

http://photozone.smugmug.com/photos/1449271793_tsLbq28-O.jpg

This is one of those lenses that shows its best in real-life images rather than the lab. Where in the any of the following images on this page is corner sharpness an issue?

http://www.ryanbrenizer.com/2011/11/review-sigma-12-24mm-mark-ii/

The Sigma's CA is low across most of the frame and reasonably low in the corners. I suspect this is the biggest advance over the MkI. I have to say that I've never had a problem with flare but at 12mm, it's sometimes a challenge to keep flare sources out of the frame.

Build quality is excellent and it has a nice chunky, heavy feeling to it. For what it's worth, the front element is a work of art.

Two downsides: first, the lens accepts rear gel filters so a polariser can't be used. Second, low light autofocus is noticeably less decisive than any of my canon lenses. On the subject of focus, for landscapes I usually set focus manually at the hyperfocal distance.

12mm is so wide that I treat the Sigma as a 'specialist' creative lens, for use in limited, specific circumstances. In general photography , I don't need to go wider than that offered by my 24-105 but when the right situation presents itself, the Sigma offers a truly unique and frequently stunning perspective.
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