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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2012, 02:43:02 PM »
I have the 24L, 50L, and 135L and have pondered getting an 85 or the 100 Macro. Every time I shoot with the 135L, I say, :I love this lens" and doubt if I would use either of the other. Every time I shoot with the 50L, I am so very satisfied, I also doubt I would take out the 85 instead.

I would love to have the 35L, 85L and 200L to technically fill the voids of my current kit, but I have never had a situation yet where the lenses I have left me wanting something more/different.

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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2012, 02:58:31 PM »
I have the 24L, 50L, and 135L and have pondered getting an 85 or the 100 Macro. Every time I shoot with the 135L, I say, :I love this lens" and doubt if I would use either of the other. Every time I shoot with the 50L, I am so very satisfied, I also doubt I would take out the 85 instead.

I would love to have the 35L, 85L and 200L to technically fill the voids of my current kit, but I have never had a situation yet where the lenses I have left me wanting something more/different.

That's almost the same situation I am in, got the 24L, a converted FD 55 1.2 and a soon to be EF converted FD 135/2. Well I also own the 100L, which I don't know if I really need it and the 15mm fisheye which is always nice to have and the 200/2.8! Now I want to sell the 200 because I don't use it, not even with my 1.4x II but don't know if I should buy the sigma 85 to complete my set...or just sell the 100 as well :D and keep the 3 firstly mentioned lenses and the fisheye... ??? After all the sigma 85 1.4 is pretty similar to the 55mm 1.2, you can always crop the pictures from the latter...
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2012, 04:31:29 PM »
Having FF with 35L, 50 1.5 and 135L, I'm thinking in:
1) selling the 50mm 1.4 and buy the 50L
2) buying the Sigma 85 1.4
3) buying 85L (more difficult due to the money involved)

Anyone had a similar debate?

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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2012, 06:40:22 PM »
I'm waiting to see the January announcement before deciding, but the Sigma seems a good bet
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2012, 08:01:04 PM »
Someone mentioned that the Canon 85mm 1.8 has more unreliable autofocus. I am just posting to say that I have not found that to be the case. The Canon 85mm 1.8 has the best autofocus on any possible lens that I have tried, better for sure than the 70-200 II, for instance. It's never unreliable unless user error causes it to be so. (I.e., you mis-place your focusing points, such as accidentally beginning to press the button before the AF points are actually on your desired subject.)

The Sigma 85mm f/1.4 has slightly unreliable autofocus, I have found, but good enough that I can still rely on it at a basketball game (not 100% reliable). But Sigma's image quality at f/2.0 is far better than the Canon just because of the CA problem (chromatic aberration) that the Canon has.

With the Canon, you will get purple reflections from the out of focus stadium lights reflecting off of glasses, for example (ruining an otherwise good dunk photo, for example) if you shoot below f/2.8. So basically you are wasting more than one stop of the len's potential in order to avoid CA.

I don't have to worry at all about CA with the Sigma lens at f/2.0.

CA is the problem with the Canon, but its auto focus is as close to perfect as possible on all of my copies and every else's that I know. So I had to chime in and say something.

Yes, I have had disappointing focus experiences myself, but it has always been user error of my own like getting too eager and starting to lock focus before a subject is close enough to even register on the AF sensor. If I make a mistake like that, the lens will do a perfect job of tracking focus on the background. The way to fix that mistake is to take my finger completely off the shutter and re-acquire focus on the proper subject. So if you are experiencing any focusing problems with the 85mm 1.8, just wait a little bit. AF takes technique from the photographer as well as capability and accuracy from the lens. I am still learning and improving every day.


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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2012, 09:29:19 PM »
Having FF with 35L, 50 1.5 and 135L, I'm thinking in:
1) selling the 50mm 1.4 and buy the 50L
2) buying the Sigma 85 1.4
3) buying 85L (more difficult due to the money involved)

Anyone had a similar debate?

I was in a similar boat and I went with (2). That's my lineup now -- 35L, 50mm f/1.4, Sigma 85mm and the 135L. Haven't looked back (though I daydream about the 200mm f/2L every now and then)


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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2012, 09:59:21 PM »
I have found the 85L a strange focal length for me. It's not quite normal but not quite tele. It will melt the background but still leave some information.

Overall, I'd probably never own an 85L since my 135L is just so good. My 24, 50, and 135 kit are all good, separated, and unique focal lengths.

I'd recommend just to continue to use the 135L.

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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2013, 01:04:51 AM »
35mm -> 85mm -> 135mm.  I would recommend 85mm.  Many people would recommend also to rent one for a weekend and see what you like. It depends on what you are shooting. Japanese yeh would go weak all the way till mid 2013. Do not know how much it would impact the lens price.  Wait till then if you can. Or buy when you have to. A used Canon 85L maybe?  Thanks.
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2014, 05:22:48 PM »
Bringing back my question, I still debate upgrading my 50mm f.14, but now there is a Sigma 1.4 that may surprise...
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2014, 07:15:38 PM »
Bringing back my question, I still debate upgrading my 50mm f.14, but now there is a Sigma 1.4 that may surprise...

The new Sigma 50 and the 50L are going to be comparable in price, both would be good choices.  The 85L is beautiful, and the Sigma 85 would be a great alternative to that at less than half the price.  Another alternative to consider, not mentioned yet, would be the new version 24-70mm f/2.8L II.  It's tack sharp, great bokeh, and would cover the wide end as well as some coverage between 50 and 135.  About the same price as the 85L.  Just a thought.
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2014, 07:22:57 PM »
The new Sigma 50mm is supposed to be rockin'. And it's about $300 less than the Canon 50mm f1.2.

But I don't think I've seen you or anyone ask 'What do you shoot?' or "Which lens do you use most often?"

I LOVE my Zeiss 50mm and it's the pick up truck of lenses. Very utilitarian focal length. As long as you don't get too close for portraits, those types of shots are very pleasing.

But 85mm is the defacto portrait lens. But it's not so great for street and landscape photography.

I say, if you use one of your lenses much more than the others, upgrade that to the best you can. But if you currently use all your lenses about the same amount of time, then maybe the 85mm would be the next lens.
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2014, 02:39:42 AM »
Having FF with 35L, 50 1.5 and 135L, I'm thinking in:
1) selling the 50mm 1.4 and buy the 50L
2) buying the Sigma 85 1.4
3) buying 85L (more difficult due to the money involved)

Anyone had a similar debate?

the current 50mm options with AF are all crap IMO

i use the sigma 35 1.4 and 85 1.4 they partner each other really well

i am waiting for the next generation of 50's to come like a sigma 50 art or the rumoured canon 50mm f1.8 IS
IS and a compact size is gonna be critical for me on the new 50 because i'd use it mainly for travel
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2014, 01:11:34 PM »
Having 1.3x with the same lenses and question some time ago.
I owned 85/1.8 and upgraded to S 85/1.4.  (C1.8 = too much violet fringing and inconsistent AF)

I've heard differing opinions on the Sigma 85 1.4.  How is the AF performance (speed and accuracy)?  I have the Canon 85 1.8 and find the AF to be pretty good overall.  How about the Bokeh?
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2014, 03:16:15 PM »
I have found the 85L a strange focal length for me. It's not quite normal but not quite tele. It will melt the background but still leave some information.

Overall, I'd probably never own an 85L since my 135L is just so good. My 24, 50, and 135 kit are all good, separated, and unique focal lengths.

I'd recommend just to continue to use the 135L.
Interesting...that's my take on the 35mm, as in it's not wide enough, and not normal enough.  I bought the 85mm after the 24, 50, and 135 because I found the 50 less than flattering for headshots and the 135 was often too long to use indoors.  After buying it, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the 85L was great for all of my portrait work other than environmental shots. 

To the OP, I'd recommend getting your hands on a 85mm lens (borrow or rent) to try it out for a couple of days.  Most shooters (like RL & I) find certain lengths preferable to others and it's a very personal thing.  If the 85mm FL melts your heart, then you can decide 85 Sigma or L, and if not, then you can wait for 50 Sigma or buy L.
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Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2014, 03:34:25 PM »
I can't wait to see a new 85mm f1.8 ISUSM, I think f1.8 is fast enough for most of apps considering the high ISO performance of the 6D ,the 5D3 and the 1DX.
I also want to see a new 135mm f1.8LIS USM.

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