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The Land of Crazy or.... ? [CR1]
« on: June 22, 2011, 12:32:28 PM »

Rumors are flooding my inbox. Most of which I cannot substantiate to any degree. I figured it would be fun to post the most recent “roadmap” type of rumors.


Some of the below stuff has appeared on other rumor sites, as well as various blogs and tweets I’ve seen. I’ll give you my opinion on this stuff at the bottom.


August 2011 7D Mark II



  • 24 Mega pixel Full Frame

  • Dual Digic V

  • Will be a partial replacement for the discontinued 1D Mark IV


September 2011 1D Mark V



  • 32 Mega pixel Full Frame

  • Dual Digic V

  • Will be a partial replacement for the discontinued 1D Mark IV and complete the merging of the 1D line


March 2012 5D Mark III



  • 32 Mega pixel Full Frame

  • Digic V

  • New 11 point AF system

  • Will have the best video features of the EOS line


CR’s Take

7D Mark II being a fullframe camera and “partially” replacing the  1D Mark IV? Not likely for a couple of reasons.



  • The model name “7D” would go against Canon’s naming strategy. I can’t see a Mark II of the current camera, overtaking the 5D Mark III in pricepoint and features. Name this camera “3D” and it makes sense. It was said the 70D would move to where the 7D current sits, an APS-C camera with lots of features above the Rebel. There could be some truth to that, the price difference between the 60D and T3i is tiny. I’m going to wager that any 7D direct replacement will remain an APS-C camera.

  • The other issue I see with this theory is folks that currently have a 7D with EF-S lenses. A lot of 7D buyers are very likely to have purchased a 10-22 and/or a 17-55 f/2.8 IS, not allowing them to bring their lenses to a Mark II version would be silly.


The 1D/1Ds merger talk comes around a fair bit. I do believe it’s going to happen. When? Not sure.


5D Mark III not until 2012? There has been A LOT of talk in regards to the release of the 5D Mark III. Everything recently has said it will be announced next year. Next year is a Photokina year, although I’m not sure that influences Canon’s marketing. There is going to be a lot of talk about the camera, and none of the regulars that are correct have sent me any information.


One constant remains from the stream of stuff I’m receiving, there will be a shakeup in the lineup.


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The Land of Crazy or.... ? [CR1]
« on: June 22, 2011, 12:32:28 PM »

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Re: The Land of Crazy or.... ? [CR1]
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 12:44:23 PM »
I can't see the 7D mkII being a FF...  it could not really be a replacement then, but a change!!!

What ever happens, i just hope for something new this summer, whatever is announced it will hint as to what else we can expect!

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 12:52:38 PM »
24 & 32mpx ?  Sounds very Sony !

Canon have always appeared to be a step ahead on mpx count, I see little reason for that to change.  Whilst I totally accept there is more to digital imaging than pure mpx count, I'd expect a leap above Nikon/Sony, which can only be determined by what Nikon actually release.  I'd expect Canon to be currently sat on several FF/APS-C (and perhaps MF/APS-H) image sensor sizes and waiting to just gazump the competitors with which ever sounds "better" for the marketing people.
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Re: The Land of Crazy or.... ? [CR1]
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 01:17:44 PM »
24 & 32mpx ?  Sounds very Sony !

Canon have always appeared to be a step ahead on mpx count, I see little reason for that to change.  Whilst I totally accept there is more to digital imaging than pure mpx count, I'd expect a leap above Nikon/Sony, which can only be determined by what Nikon actually release.  I'd expect Canon to be currently sat on several FF/APS-C (and perhaps MF/APS-H) image sensor sizes and waiting to just gazump the competitors with which ever sounds "better" for the marketing people.

I agree totally. Canon are very unlikely to roll over and play dead for Nikon's benefit. It's certainly the case that Canon do historically wait until the oppositition have shown their hand before producing their trump card.

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Re: The Land of Crazy or.... ? [CR1]
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 01:25:23 PM »
It's certainly the case that Canon do historically wait until the oppositition have shown their hand before producing their trump card.

case in point, D3s announced Oct 14. 1Dmk4 announced Oct 20.

But the D3X is only just over 2 1/2 years old, the 1Ds3 is pushing 4 years. Do we have to wait for the D4(x) before a new 1ds4?

and the 5D2 came out 2-3 months after the D700, do we have to wait until nikon replaces that (whatever number it is in their randomly-generated sequence) before we see a 5D3?
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Re: The Land of Crazy or.... ? [CR1]
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 01:32:05 PM »
A FF 7DMk2 qualifies as crazy. There are good reasons for using a crop camera for shooting sports, wildlife etc with long lenses in good light, particularly if you have to walk around a lot. A $2500, full pro-quality APC-C 7DMk2, with improvements in image quality, high ISO noise and DR plus 18MP (or less) would be perfect with the new 200-400.

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 01:57:01 PM »
At this point, they just need to release something... anything to let us know that they have actually been doing research. Canon is lagging.

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 02:01:14 PM »
Can't seem to buy a 5DII here in Holland right now. Big Media Markt store in The Hague didn't even have a place holder for the 5DII on their DSLR display when I was in there last Thursday...

cameraland.nl and kamera-express.nl been out of stock for a while now it seems.

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 02:05:11 PM »
7D II with FF and partial replacement of the 1DIV ? is similar to 1DIV partial replacement will get FF and will change it's name to 7D II just to confuse the market. Then what it will be named the camera replacement with the spec/price slot covered by the 7D ? Maybe 1DV ?  :)

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 02:09:10 PM »
A FF 7DMk2 qualifies as crazy. There are good reasons for using a crop camera for shooting sports, wildlife etc with long lenses in good light

Agreed.  The same logic holds true for the APS-H format, where excellent high ISO performance and a fast frame rate are coupled with a modest crop factor.  I see the logic of merging the 1Ds/1D lines IF they can manage 10 fps with the FF sensor.  A high enough pixel density on the FF sensor would allow for sufficient MP in a 1.3x simulated crop, but that would mean at least 16 MP in the crop, more likely 20 MP for a reasonable 'improvement' over the 1DIV.  So, the FF sensor must be at least 33 MP to support a 20 MP 1.3x crop.  If they add in a 1.6x crop mode, that only yields 12.6 MP, so I doubt they'll bother.

As has been stated, they could merge the lines to deliver high MP, low fps and lower MP, high fps in a single body.  Could does not mean will.  There's a certain caché for the flavors of the 1-series.  Also, if they do merge the lines, the price point will almost certainly be set based on the 1Ds-like features - probably even higher, since this would ostensibly be better than the 1Ds in that it would offer a fast frame rate option.  That would leave a really big gap in the lineup between a (hypothetical) 5DIII in the $3K range and the new 1Dm (merged) in the $8K range, a place formerly held by the 1D in the $5K range.  Maybe a place for a 3D (but I still don't see them using that number for anything except a 3-dimensional camera).
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 02:27:01 PM »
Can't seem to buy a 5DII here in Holland right now. Big Media Markt store in The Hague didn't even have a place holder for the 5DII on their DSLR display when I was in there last Thursday...
cameraland.nl and kamera-express.nl been out of stock for a while now it seems.


tried fotokonijnenberg.nl? 2 stops the other side of centraal on tram 2/6.
... ok, just checked their website, 5d2 ook op.
http://www.guusverschuren.nl is claiming 5-10 werkdagen, somehow i doubt it...
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 02:56:40 PM »
Canon is lagging.


Lagging behind who exactly? Nikon? Sony?

Goodness no.

The only thing anyone as refreshed in the year is entry level/enthusiast stuff. No one has release a pro(sumer) camera in years.
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2011, 03:15:43 PM »
A FF 7DMk2 qualifies as crazy. There are good reasons for using a crop camera for shooting sports, wildlife etc .

+1000.

The 7D going FF is the most unbelievable rumor so far.

Other than that, there will be big changes in the lineup for sure.
The 1DV is going FF and the 60D is not positioned right, so it will undergo another makeover very soon.

These changes will affect the entire lineup in a big way.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2011, 03:39:11 PM »
If Canon does wait until next summer of 2012 to release the 5D3, all I know is that it better be the BEST camera of all time. The longer they wait, the higher the expectations.

If they wait that long, it better just be able to magical make photographic masterpieces for you at the touch of a button.

Anything short, and the camera will be a failure because of the long delay and huge expectations.

So I think it's safer if they just make their 3 year cycle and release it in September, when they should. Otherwise, if it's not that great, Canon will lose serious credibility for making people wait that long.

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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2011, 04:22:11 PM »
I can't see the 7D mkII being a FF...  it could not really be a replacement then, but a change!!!

What ever happens, i just hope for something new this summer, whatever is announced it will hint as to what else we can expect!

BRING ON THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS!!!

+1.   The 7D has its own place in the EOS family, and it has been/is very successful.  And it was introduced less than 2 years ago.  A true second-generation 7D would remain APS-C - and compatible with EP-S lenses (like the 10-22 and 17-55 as CR points out). 

I note that 7D rebates have just been introduced.  What does this suggest relative to this 7D rumor?
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2011, 04:22:11 PM »