I wish I could shut off Nikon's ergonomics, button layout, green cast on the screen, etc etc. Nikon might just be #1 in the world for people with 4 fingers, shoot without the screen, and don't care about losing a shot in a high pressure situation because switching modes and going through menus on a Nikon is horrendous compared to a Canon. No offense to them, of course. By all means, do what you need to do. When you're a pro you do what it takes to get the job done whether your specialty and style of work needs a superior sensor, better af, or a better button layout that helps you get your job done faster. That's all that really matters. A client hires you because you're supposed to know better and deliver to best their standards, not yours. If you really love Nikon that much, it's just plain common sense to get the hell out of this Canon forum.
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Topic: Are you really serious about 6D? (Read 33873 times)
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I personally do not understand all the hate against the 6D. I was skeptical of it when it was first announced, I am not a big fan of the set up of the 60D. We have the 6D in the store I work at, and it functions great. Sample images look very very good, and while it is slower than the 5D III (duh) the camera itself is plenty fast enough. The build feels great, and while the sacrifice of the joystick is annoying, the function is still present in the slightly less ergonomic set button location. In the joysticks place are several buttons that used to be on the left side, I am ok with that. It is a very good camera for a decent price.
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skitron
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To get better high ISO performance (i), I am assuming that the 6D would be a huge upgrade over the 60D (and 7D), and on par with the 5Dmk3? (I would love the improoved video on the mk3 like clean HDMI, but I have to start at a lower price point). Also, I am wondering about moire and jello on the 6D vs 60D;5D2;5D3.
ISO on 6D is second only to 1DX and 5D3 right behind 6D. And again, the AF on 6D is a big step forward from 5D2 (I had one for a year) imo and sorry to the 6D AF nay-sayers, I'd take the 6D system over the 50D system (had a 50D two years) any day. The 6D center point smokes, the outers are quite a bit better then 5D2 and the overall system much faster than either 5D2 or 50D. Accuracy is noticiably improved over 50D for both inner and outer imo. And 6D AI Servo kept up with my kid on a scooter no problem, something the 5D2 and 50D couldn't do.
The biggest downside to the outer points (other than less sensitive to light) is that they are not cross type. In practice I found them to work well as long as the subject had some detail to it. It struggled with focusing on a sheetrock wall with the outers, but fabrics were no problem at all. Reasonably fast in adequate light and pretty accurate imo.
Video is virtually identical to 5D2 except a tiny bit *more* moire. But unless you're planning on doing video that will get peer reviewed from a technical perspective it's fine imo, and you'll get virtually the same as 5D2 except ISO is improved and 6D will do all i-frame, and despite its known problems, is pretty darn good if all your doing is preserving your own memories. Jello is same on all Canon DSLRs for all practical purposes.
JMO, YMMV, only tested one copy, yadda, yadda...
My "path" is 50D (sold) to 5D2 (sold) to 6D (returned) to 5D3
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Lots of speculation from people here who don't own the camera, have not used it, and think they have it all figured out. I've owned it for a bit over a week now. Not a huge amount of experience on it, but a week and a half more then most people here it sounds like.
I am very happy with the 6D. I come from a Canon 40D which I was also very happy with. I greatly enjoy the high ISO performance, additional creative DoF options, larger viewfinder, higher resolution screen, iOS app, GPS, video capabilities, and even the fantastic 24-105mm kit lens. I wasn't crying before about the 9 cross type AF points on my 40D, and moving to a single cross type with 11 total points on the 6D hasn't caused me any issues. I don't shoot birds in flight. I shoot landscape, travel, family indoor, portraits, etc. I'm not making money off of my equipment, I am making memories and capturing my life.
I am not coming from a 5D mkII, 1D X, etc. I also am not coming from a crippled Rebel T123xyz, but rather what I consider to be the precursor to the 7D line(40D and prior). I do think that this original post is simply trolling, but I also wanted to at least provide my opinion that the 6D is not a "joke" of a camera. It is very competent and especially for the asking price it is capable of producing great images in many conditions. I personally do not need the level of AF provided in the 5D MkIII, I also do not need dual memory card slots. If I was shooting weddings professionally, it would be an easy decision. This camera is not aimed at the professional that is using the camera every day to make a living. I could have bought a 5D MkIII, I have the money but simply do not need the additional features. I am very happy with the upgrade path from a 40D to a 6D, it offers me much more flexible ISO performance, among other key items which I find very useful.
Too many people are quick to think that integrated GPS and Wi-Fi are "fluff" features or gimmicks. They simply are not. For landscape photography having integrated GPS is a fantastic and welcomed feature. Wi-Fi and the available app for smartphones really opens up the possibilities of remote shooting, allowing comfortable macro work without an articulating screen, family photos without the need for an additional remote accessory, and easy access to photos when on the go. I personally enjoy sharing my photos while traveling with family and not having to carry around an additional dongle for my tablet to download images is a great benefit.
So now you have some thoughts from someone who actually owns this camera, and is in what I would consider one of the many target markets for this unit. If you want to troll some more, I would suggest either buying the 5D MkIII, or going to a Nikon forum to find some willing shoulders to cry on.
Wouldn't have said 'informed' would have said informed
+1 well said sir
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sandymandy
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6D is targeted to people with older rebel models or lower. If you just bought a 650D or 600D i dont think ur suddenly gonna buy a 6D. I think people who still use like...450D and were already aware of the "FF magic" are now finally going to get a camera they like. People with 7D are likely informed advanced users anyway and probably lurking to get a 5D long time already.
I assume most people who come to these forums are quite educated and experienced about photography so i dont understand all this 6D bashing since the camera is not intended for such users. 6D is for beginners, people who probably never had an L lens before and perhaps never used an external flash with triggers. People who "know what they want" are going for 5D or higher anyway...EXCEPT they cant afford it. Thats also a large group of ppl targeted
If i gotta save my ass off to buy the 6D im also likely more appreciating my purchase and just feeling lucky i could go FF at all. At least i would be like that. And the 6D is not bad anyway. It performs worse than the 5Dmk3, yes but so does the 5Dmk3 performe worse than the 1DX same way. It doesnt make 5dmk3 a bad camera.
Lol i always have heard people telling nikon ergonomics and menu functionality is waaay better.
I assume most people who come to these forums are quite educated and experienced about photography so i dont understand all this 6D bashing since the camera is not intended for such users. 6D is for beginners, people who probably never had an L lens before and perhaps never used an external flash with triggers. People who "know what they want" are going for 5D or higher anyway...EXCEPT they cant afford it. Thats also a large group of ppl targeted
If i gotta save my ass off to buy the 6D im also likely more appreciating my purchase and just feeling lucky i could go FF at all. At least i would be like that. And the 6D is not bad anyway. It performs worse than the 5Dmk3, yes but so does the 5Dmk3 performe worse than the 1DX same way. It doesnt make 5dmk3 a bad camera.
I wish I could shut off Nikon's ergonomics, button layout, green cast on the screen, etc etc. Nikon might just be #1 in the world for people with 4 fingers, shoot without the screen, and don't care about losing a shot in a high pressure situation because switching modes and going through menus on a Nikon is horrendous compared to a Canon
Lol i always have heard people telling nikon ergonomics and menu functionality is waaay better.
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sdsr
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The 6D could have been so much better and appealed to a much larger audience without the cost being too much more and without compromising on the 5D, with a real hybrid between a XXXD, XXD & 7D with a full frame sensor
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I didnt expect the 6D to have poor IQ, and it has proven itself, it appears to be fantastic. But if you are an amateur used to the 9 point system the 11 point isnt a massive upgrade apart from one point, even the 650Ds are all cross point, but it will feel similar... not sure i like the idea of that price and the camera AF feeling similar. But I wouldn't buy a 2k camera that really doesn't improve much apart from IQ it needs to be across the board, a camera consists of more than just a good sensor. IQ means nothing if only one point is worth using.
If the 6D were "so much better" than it really is, and still significantly cheaper than the 5DIII, why would anyone buy the 5DIII? (Or, put differently, why would Canon have released the 6D at all?)
As for the comment on IQ, I wouldn't buy another camera unless it did improve IQ; and if the improvement were significant enough, I would buy it for that reason alone. (And as for focus points, I'm one of those odd people who have little interest in anything other than the central focus point, so I don't care how many others there are, but those who have actually used the 6D report that the others work just fine.)
Low light/high ISO performance matters a good deal to me, so as far as I'm concerned the 6D would be a move up from my 5DII if it's noticeably better in that regard (I'm currently renting a 5DIII to make such a comparison). Whether the 6D is a move up, down, or sideways depends on what you have, what you want and how it actually performs in practice; we're all different.... And if the Nikon equivalents really are better in anyone's experience, well, buy them. As I recently found out, the cost of moving from one system to another is less than a lot of people seem to think.
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If the 6D were "so much better" than it really is, and still significantly cheaper than the 5DIII, why would anyone buy the 5DIII? (Or, put differently, why would Canon have released the 6D at all?)
Well, that's something for Canon to figure out, as they are in the business of selling cameras, not me.
But the 6D should have been better.
I feel that in their efforts to differentiate it from the 5DIII, Canon ended up compromising the 6D.
That's not smart.
Instead, Canon should have put extra efforts in proper differentiation without compromising the 6D.
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@Neuro From where do you have the information that 6ds are flying from the shelfs? I dont think they do, as they arent even out everywhere in the world.
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