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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #90 on: April 12, 2013, 05:34:48 AM »
@Jack, just to throw in my .02 c worth: if you are struggling with sharpness of your new FF body I would work on trying to sort things out to your satisfaction with a 'normal' focal length in the 35 - 50 region before moving to the 300 f2.8.

A 300mm at f2.8 on a FF is a big change from APS.

I know you originally said you used F-1, so that is FF anyway, but optimising a 300 at 2.8 is very unforgiving.

I presume you have already gone through the really obvious stuff such as sufficient sharpening on the RAW file, or having IS switched off when on tripod etc.

Sorry you've been disappointed so far with your 6D: from what I have seen elsewhere it is a superb camera. In fact at Building Panoramics I think we are going to move onto them from the 5D mk2.

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #91 on: April 12, 2013, 07:45:51 AM »
@Jack
Regarding the images you posted, moon pictures require clean air among other things to get sharp, so its hard to judge those. Your other photos seems to have flat light and that will require more post processing to get the most out of.
You should practice your 300 bare in good light on easy subjects first, were nothing else is in the way for you AF to get fooled, a trip to the local duck pond is good practice.

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #92 on: April 12, 2013, 09:18:24 AM »
I just wanted to say that I love my 6D so much that I have purchased a second one to replaced by 5DII as my second body at event shoots.  Low light performance is so much better, and the fast shutter response and somewhat better AF is critical in those situations.
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #93 on: April 12, 2013, 02:50:59 PM »
Thanks Guys,

While I do know more than the average true "beginner" there is a ton I don't know and that's why this feedback is so valuable.  I have very little experience with post processing so I'll have to but energy in that direction.  I need to improve my technique, especially hand-holding that beautify white lens.  I am not disappointed in the 6D at all, although I do now appreciate that the AF points are not its strong point from my own experimentation.  However, I had read reviews and put-downs about that and went forward quite willing to do some re-composing.  Dustin, I read your review and it was bang on and I've said things like "this camera will be great when we go to Machu Pichu and I get to reshoot what I did years ago with the F1".  I love its size and weight and the 24-70 will be great.

What hit like a ton of bricks was the concern that I spent $7k plus on a lens and two extenders and the results I couldn't describe as night and day better than what I got before, as I've already stated in previous posts.  I love looking at wildlife on my 24" screen and it's great to be able to examine the fine features to see things that the naked eye didn't when the shot was taken.  In other words, I guess I'm very fixated on getting crisp photos with great detail and worried I got a dud lens (the guy behind the lens is a dud but there is hope for fixing that!).  Of course I love the F2.8 DOF and the bokeh and the color rendition.

For reference, here are a few shots from my D5100/AF-S 70-300 that have contributed to my desire to get the 6D, not because what I was getting wasn't rewarding (the last is 6D and at ISO 6400!).  These are from my back yard and I'm close to Elk Island park and can run over there in 10 minutes - good reason to be enthused - right!  I will never knock the 6D, in fact I recommend it, and I won't be reverting to Nikon.  But, I am going nuts worrying I won't get my camera and lens back in time for what's just a few weeks away, and that the lens won't have been fine tuned!  I know: STOP WORRYING.

Jack
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #94 on: April 16, 2013, 09:14:16 AM »
ISO 5000.  Canon 70-300L.  Through glass.  No noise reduction (other than standard RAW conversion) applied.


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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #95 on: April 16, 2013, 05:00:47 PM »
Dustin, thanks for sharing the processing information on Flickr relating to this shot.  Which software do you prefer?  Because it was so little money ($40 offer) I bought Corel Paintshop Pro recently and it does have many features. BUT it opens my CR files with a pinkish hue!??

What is your opinion of the 70 -300 L versus non-L.  On sale I bought the non-L for $400 (a no-brainer for my daughter to learn with using the used $200 40D I found).  However, I'm thinking something for travel that's not as big as the 300 2.8. 

Now that my 6D and big lens is off at Canon for evaluation I'm so anxious and impatient I'm even having Nebuchadnezzer type dreams where all manner of birds are flying, including a ring-neck pheasant feeding from someone's hand and I don't have my camera to shot with!  I think I can blame Gary in part for this dream - I'm still in awe/shock at what he produces.

This shot is a "there is absolutely nothing out here today to shoot" test to look at the 300 sharpness and it contributed to me sending the gear in for checkup.

6D 300F2.8 II  2X III  F6.3  1250th  ISO 250

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #96 on: April 18, 2013, 09:12:05 AM »
Jack, I have not used the non-L version of the Canon.  I do have (until I sell it), the Tamron 70-300 VC, which is, by almost all accounts, better than the Canon version.  The Tamron is a very impressive lens for the money, but the single biggest difference is the quality of the ooF area.  I find the 70-300L VERY impressive for a small aperture lens.  You deal with a lot of transition zone bokeh with a telephoto, because you are often some distance from your subject.  The 70-300L handles that MUCH better than the Tamron.  It is higher resolution, too.  Here is a cropped in shot with the 6D and 70-300L.


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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #96 on: April 18, 2013, 09:12:05 AM »

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #97 on: April 18, 2013, 09:16:26 AM »
Dustin, thanks for sharing the processing information on Flickr relating to this shot.  Which software do you prefer?  Because it was so little money ($40 offer) I bought Corel Paintshop Pro recently and it does have many features. BUT it opens my CR files with a pinkish hue!??

What is your opinion of the 70 -300 L versus non-L.  On sale I bought the non-L for $400 (a no-brainer for my daughter to learn with using the used $200 40D I found).  However, I'm thinking something for travel that's not as big as the 300 2.8. 

Now that my 6D and big lens is off at Canon for evaluation I'm so anxious and impatient I'm even having Nebuchadnezzer type dreams where all manner of birds are flying, including a ring-neck pheasant feeding from someone's hand and I don't have my camera to shot with!  I think I can blame Gary in part for this dream - I'm still in awe/shock at what he produces.

This shot is a "there is absolutely nothing out here today to shoot" test to look at the 300 sharpness and it contributed to me sending the gear in for checkup.

6D 300F2.8 II  2X III  F6.3  1250th  ISO 250

Jack

That image isn't really big enough to pixel peep, but at this magnification it looks pretty good.  You are getting great delineation, obviously, because depth of field at 300mm f/2.8 is definitely small.  The same remains true when you add on the TCs, for while you drop an F-Stop or two, you are still talking about a small depth of field because of the focal length.

If I could own just one piece of editing software, it would be Lightroom.  I also use Photoshop, OnOne Perfect Photo Suite, and Alien Skin Exposure, but with practice you can do so many things effectively and quickly in Lightroom.  The single biggest thing is being able to apply presets at import that can deal with many of your common settings, your metadata, etc...  That's huge!
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2013, 11:38:50 AM »
Thanks for that good information Dustin.  I'll bide my time and start a thread on the 6D and 300/X1.4/X2 when I get the items back from Canon and have something worth saying and better images to post.

And I hope that's soon because more birds are arriving daily!

Jack
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #99 on: April 18, 2013, 01:33:50 PM »
Hi All,

For comparison here's my 6D with the cheapy 70-300 F5.6 non-L lens at 300mm.

6D  70-300 @300 1/250 F11 ISO 400

This lens was $400 on sale and for the price it's obviously respectable.  While the 300 F2.8 was nearly $7k, any wonder I'm concerned.

Jack

Jack

You have put up a lot of negative comments about your 300 f2.8 and being unhappy about your purchase of it and the camera.

You may be suffering from expecting that your kit will make up for your inexperience, of course it is quite possible that you have been unlucky and got a poor copy of one of the best lenses made and/or a mismatch with your camera.

Spending lots of money on kit will NOT ensure you take good pictures, trust me I have proved it.

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #100 on: April 18, 2013, 02:18:01 PM »
Thanks Skulker.  I'm truly not a negative personality and I am trying to be realistic in my expectations.  There is no question that the quality of any photograph largely lies with the capability of the photographer and I have lots to learn and perfect, for sure.  It's good to be reminded.

I like everything about the 300 or I wouldn't have forked out roughly $8000 for it and the extenders. That's in principal.  However, both my friend (quite a bit more experienced but not a pro) and I got this funny feeling that it might not be a good copy and at that point, knowing I can't afford to be throwing money around, I started to wish there was some way to confirm yea or nay.

The canon correspondent ultimately felt that it did seem to have an issue and suggested I send it in, which I have done.  When I get it back I'll try to post interesting shots for anyone that's interested to comment on.

At that point I'll know that it is (hopefully) within Canon's specs and I'll forget about fretting and just do my best to create photos that I can be proud of and that will be a positive for Canon's reputation.

In the olden days, I shot extensively with an F1 that never let me down and except for my recent 1 year introduction to DSLRs via the Nikon D5100 and the AF-S 70 -300 VR, I've only ever been Canon.  For the price I'm thrilled with the 6D and I'm pretty pleased with the 24-70F4L IS (I insisted on it for the limited macro capability).  In one year shooting with the Nikon, I got a lot of very nice photographs and I know it's only going to improve with my new gear as I learn to be a better photographer. 

So, for now I'll refrain from further comment and start a thread when the camera and lenses are back.

Jack
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #101 on: April 21, 2013, 04:02:51 AM »
Hello again.   (I posted this first in the 'small' thread about 6D images - now found the right one, so I repost).

I entered some of the following in another thread, that started out with my questions about choice of 5D mkIII or 6D.  I ended up choosing 6D - and enjoy it much sofar.

I add some samples.
These first two are mainly test-shots. But they both show me lots of promises on what this camera can do.

It resolves and renders delicately (swan's feathers / water surface)
And it does quite a good job regarding focus (I tried a bit of BIF, which is not my regular domain).

Two last samples are some of my favourite motives. (They were entered a few days ago also under the Animals/ Birds-group here in CR.)

All four made using 70-200 mm f/4.0 L IS.

Also I noted that I can go HIGH in ISO - which gives me a lot more flexibility.
And the camera handles near to perfectly for me.

All in all: A giant step forward from my previous 450D / Rebel XSI.

Much more playing / testing / gaining experience to be done - love it.
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #102 on: April 24, 2013, 03:16:48 PM »
I just wanted to say that I love my 6D so much that I have purchased a second one to replaced by 5DII as my second body at event shoots.  Low light performance is so much better, and the fast shutter response and somewhat better AF is critical in those situations.

Happy for you Dustin!

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #103 on: April 24, 2013, 06:02:14 PM »
Hello again.   (I posted this first in the 'small' thread about 6D images - now found the right one, so I repost).

I entered some of the following in another thread, that started out with my questions about choice of 5D mkIII or 6D.  I ended up choosing 6D - and enjoy it much sofar.

I add some samples.
These first two are mainly test-shots. But they both show me lots of promises on what this camera can do.

It resolves and renders delicately (swan's feathers / water surface)
And it does quite a good job regarding focus (I tried a bit of BIF, which is not my regular domain).

Two last samples are some of my favourite motives. (They were entered a few days ago also under the Animals/ Birds-group here in CR.)

All four made using 70-200 mm f/4.0 L IS.

Also I noted that I can go HIGH in ISO - which gives me a lot more flexibility.
And the camera handles near to perfectly for me.

All in all: A giant step forward from my previous 450D / Rebel XSI.

Much more playing / testing / gaining experience to be done - love it.

Strong images.  Looks like it will serve you very well!
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #104 on: April 24, 2013, 06:02:34 PM »
I just wanted to say that I love my 6D so much that I have purchased a second one to replaced by 5DII as my second body at event shoots.  Low light performance is so much better, and the fast shutter response and somewhat better AF is critical in those situations.

Happy for you Dustin!

That's kind of you, Carl.  Thank you!
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