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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #150 on: May 20, 2013, 06:07:52 PM »
I'd be interested in someone who shot a lot in the film era give me an approximation of what speed rating that IQ/noise/grain looks like.  I'd guess that the look is somewhere between ISO 400 and ISO 800 film.  For ISO 25,600 equivalent, this amazes me.
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« Reply #150 on: May 20, 2013, 06:07:52 PM »

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #151 on: May 20, 2013, 08:32:01 PM »
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #152 on: May 20, 2013, 10:35:10 PM »
Now that's what I call a cow - very nice! What's the location?

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #153 on: May 23, 2013, 01:28:40 AM »
Boy I had my challenges with AF in the bull rushes today but I'm learning to use manual override a little.  BIF are sure tricky at this stage of my experience, almost hopeless but I did manage this one out of about 10 disasters.

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« Reply #154 on: May 23, 2013, 01:42:09 AM »
Here's another.

6D 300 X2 1600th F7.1 ISO 1000

I set speed high for motion and chose ISO 1000 so that my aperatures weren't just wide open.  So much to keep track of, I'm always messing something up.

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #155 on: May 23, 2013, 02:01:46 AM »
Here's another.

6D 300 X2 1600th F7.1 ISO 1000

I set speed high for motion and chose ISO 1000 so that my aperatures weren't just wide open.  So much to keep track of, I'm always messing something up.

Jack


Those are starting to look much better ! Dof on the second shot is spot on. Keep shooting like that and you're gonna make me want a 300 f2.8  ;)

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« Reply #156 on: May 23, 2013, 02:31:33 AM »
Thanks Sporgon.  I didn't do all I planned but I did remember your advice and tried somewhat.  Honestly it is so easy to mess something up.

A recent pro was reviewing a lens and made comments about 2X being crap and worthy of crushing.  I can't believe my shots are verifying that??  I'm not suggesting the 1.4 isn't better but I much prefer 600 vs 420 for these bird shots.  Any thoughts>

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #156 on: May 23, 2013, 02:31:33 AM »

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #157 on: May 23, 2013, 08:38:16 PM »
Thanks Sporgon.  I didn't do all I planned but I did remember your advice and tried somewhat.  Honestly it is so easy to mess something up.

A recent pro was reviewing a lens and made comments about 2X being crap and worthy of crushing.  I can't believe my shots are verifying that??  I'm not suggesting the 1.4 isn't better but I much prefer 600 vs 420 for these bird shots.  Any thoughts>

Jack

As someone whose longest reach in my kit is 420mm, I can verify that 420mm isn't overly long when you are trying to shoot birds.  That being said, the point being made in the 200-400L review is that image degradation is pretty significant with a 2x teleconverter, although some of Canon's superteles (like your 300 f/2.8L II) fare better than others.  The basic debate is whether one gets a better quality image from a cropped image with 1.4x as opposed to using the 2x uncropped.

The red winged blackbird in flight is a very nice image.  Considering that you were using a 2x teleconverter and an equivalent of 600mm, that is well done.
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« Reply #158 on: May 24, 2013, 01:58:54 AM »
Dustin, here's my experience.  I came from a D5100 with the AF 70-300 IS.  Being crop, I perceived 450mm and got used to that.  It was indeed a huge and exciting step up from the olden days with my F1 and 200mm.  When I bought the D5100 I didn't even know about sensor size, i just knew it was expensive (LOL) and that it should take pretty good pictures.  Then after a year I was getting very excited and a wee bit disappointed and since my good friend had been shooting for some years with the same lens but a D300, it was his influence that got me thinking big and Canon, a most ridiculous thought except inheritance money had just come into the picture and my wife was encouraging me (I bet others are envious  ;)).

At this point I'm burning with interest and reading everything under the sun, all the arguments about crop and tele reach etc.  There are a fair number of very educated individuals in photography who regularly ague and debate and it's really hard to decipher the total truth.  As an electronics engineer I have half a hope with sensors but beyond that it's Greek.

I believe I have confirmed that cropping FF does not equate to using crop (you know how all the factors are supposedly dealt with in this comparison as per Clarkvision etc.).  Thus, at this point in time having got a taste of the best equipment, I like many on this forum, am scheming regarding a higher level camera than the 6D (my wife is waiting to inherit it).  I'm prepared to wait on this decision til next year with either the most expensive 1Dx or a new 7D II being the likely contenders.  I presently believe that a the reach advantage of a crop, provided it's just 1.6 is a true advantage for bird photography but the 6D is making me well aware of the low light advantage I'm enjoying right now.  Daily I'm getting educated on the AF disadvantage of the 6D, even though I won't knock it.

We I go out shooting birds I just can't seem to bring myself to drop back to 420 after having shot for a year at EQ 450.  That's right now given all the exciting bird activities that I just don't want to risk missing.  There is also a slight advantage with the greater reach in just viewing the birds at the greater distances for ID.

Not sure here but I'm willing to bet that 300 X2 is preferred over 300 X1.4 with cropping to enlarge.  That's my judgment, anyway.

What I need to do is head out to the pond, maybe tomorrow with the X1.4 and get as many shots as possible that are similar, for comparison.  If the X2 is indeed inferior, it's only a $500 experiment and not worth fretting about.

I'd love to hear any and all assessments of the opinion I've just expressed and other's personal experience but maybe this belongs in a differnt thread??

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #159 on: May 24, 2013, 02:06:24 AM »
A couple more 6D shots 300 X2
 
1600th F10 ISO 6400
1600th F5.6 ISO 6400

Funny, ma and pa start getting very aggitated and out of the bush comes this family - quite entertaining.

I was in sunrise light with hill shadows etc. not knowing if I could catch some spur of the moment BIF and so forth.  Any suggestions regarding the choice of camera settings in this circumstance?

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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #160 on: May 24, 2013, 04:30:41 AM »
I set speed high for motion and chose ISO 1000 so that my aperatures weren't just wide open.  So much to keep track of, I'm always messing something up.


On the 6D, you might find that auto ISO makes your life easier.  I have that & highlight tone priority ("D+") turned on pretty much all the time unless there's a specific situation where I need to turn it off (e.g. long exposure).  Make sure that you configure both in your quick menu so that you can do things like force the camera to ISO100 in a hurry if you need to.

Is that the mark III 2x TC you're using?

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The sky really does come out like that above 3000 meters if you position the sun correctly at the right time of day (at a 90° angle to the sky you want to shoot).  Didn't use a polarizer and less than a minute of PP in LR.
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #161 on: May 24, 2013, 06:54:00 AM »
I use the 6D along with the 5D III for portraits at the moment (doing a 365 portrait series), and my new favorite setup is the 6D and the Sigma 35 1.4 DG HSM.

Although the image posted here is not high-ISO the 6D produces at least as good if not slightly better high-ISO results compared to the 5D III, and the general dynamic range and file detail is more than enough for me to tweak things in loads of ways via ACR7.4 and CS6.

When I bought the 6D it was meant as a backup camera for backcountry work (sold my 5D II - which, looking back, was a really good decision especially considering noise performance), but it has quickly become a worthy portrait partner to the 5D III and when I work with lights using a radio transceiver makes the lack of a dedicated flash sync port less important.
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #162 on: May 24, 2013, 08:51:44 AM »
I use the 6D along with the 5D III for portraits at the moment (doing a 365 portrait series), and my new favorite setup is the 6D and the Sigma 35 1.4 DG HSM.

Although the image posted here is not high-ISO the 6D produces at least as good if not slightly better high-ISO results compared to the 5D III, and the general dynamic range and file detail is more than enough for me to tweak things in loads of ways via ACR7.4 and CS6.

When I bought the 6D it was meant as a backup camera for backcountry work (sold my 5D II - which, looking back, was a really good decision especially considering noise performance), but it has quickly become a worthy portrait partner to the 5D III and when I work with lights using a radio transceiver makes the lack of a dedicated flash sync port less important.

That's a great portrait.  As long as we are talking IQ, the 6D gives up nothing to any camera in Canon's line.  It is, perhaps, the best IQ available from Canon.  That's why I own two.  AF is another story, although it is certainly far more capable than the 5DII that we managed with for years.
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
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« Reply #163 on: May 24, 2013, 09:19:52 AM »
Jack, your style of photography is very different than mine (BIF is a very small part of what I do.  Even using telephoto isn't a big part), but for me, I would have to see a significant upgrade in IQ for me to consider adding a crop body to my kit.  I just didn't find that I used my crop (my last was a 60D) after I switched to FF.  The latitude for post work in FF images (particularly from the 6D) is just so much better.

Anyway, here is an image from the 6D in the opposite direction - this is a handheld ant macro with the 100L Macro IS lens:


Face the Sun by Thousand Word Images by Dustin Abbott, on Flickr
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Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« Reply #164 on: May 24, 2013, 12:15:06 PM »
Jack, your style of photography is very different than mine (BIF is a very small part of what I do.  Even using telephoto isn't a big part), but for me, I would have to see a significant upgrade in IQ for me to consider adding a crop body to my kit.  I just didn't find that I used my crop (my last was a 60D) after I switched to FF.  The latitude for post work in FF images (particularly from the 6D) is just so much better.

Anyway, here is an image from the 6D in the opposite direction - this is a handheld ant macro with the 100L Macro IS lens:


Face the Sun by Thousand Word Images by Dustin Abbott, on Flickr

Great picture! You broke the rule of thirds and yet I like it. So what did you do? I am guessing it is the orange and black contrast that gets my attention.

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