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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2012, 10:43:25 AM »
I'd be curious to see how they all perform at, say, f/8.0

I  would never thought buying a f.1ish prime and shoot at f.4, 8 or 11?  Never hurt to ask ;D

No lens is sharpest wide open and typically all lenses produce their best IQ somewhere between f/5.6 and f/8.0

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2012, 10:47:24 AM »
Looking at these figures I'm a bit disappointed with the new Canon. I like the new Canon especially for weight and size. The old 35mm didn't cut it on full frame, and the Sigma, although very good, is too large as I would like to use such a lens for travel photography to complement my 24-105 f/4. If these figures are true, they may save me a sum of money (but never say 'never').

I'll wait for the SLR Gear review before deciding to purchase or not http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1574/cat/4 After all, the IS should allow some stopping down into high res territory.
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2012, 10:58:22 AM »
Why should anybody buy the 35mm f/2 if u can get an even wider open Sigma 35mm f/1.4 for about the same price? Just cuz of IS? Its not needed much with a 35mm lens anyway, is it at all?

Im really curious what Canon wants to do when they release a 35mm 1.4L II. It must be REAAAALLY awesome but i doubt it will. More likely it will cost like 1500$ and offer no better performance than the Sigma. So why should people buy it...?!

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35mm f2 old one costs like 250 euro and new one with IS like 800 euro? That IS (!) a ripoff...even worse when thinking of the sigma...

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2012, 11:38:59 AM »
I know Robert is saying the astigmatism suggests the sigma will have harsher bokeh, but in looking at some of the side-by-side comparisons with the Canon 35 L, I really don't find that to be the case.  not to my eyes, anyway.  so even that isn't really a strike against the Sigma.  it pretty much beats the Canon in every single way.

I'm really disappointed to see the size of the 35 f/2 IS from Canon.  I was still considering it as a walkaround lens on my 5D Mark II, but after seeing how big it is, why would I go for it over a f/1.4 lens?  it's pretty darn close to the same size!!!

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2012, 11:58:49 AM »
A few months ago, comparing the old 35mm f/2 against the 35mm f/1.4L would have been considered an unfair comparison, given their wildly different prices.

Now we have an even better and much cheaper 35mm f/1.4 in the Sigma, and an improved but much more expensive replacement for Canon's 35mm f/2. And now, we consider comparison of these two lenses to be valid. I wonder if this would have been the case if the new Canon were priced at $500, and the Sigma at $1,100, or would we then have seen more clearly that these two lenses are, in reality, a league apart?

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2012, 12:02:10 PM »
I'd be curious to see how they all perform at, say, f/8.0

I  would never thought buying a f.1ish prime and shoot at f.4, 8 or 11?  Never hurt to ask ;D

No lens is sharpest wide open and typically all lenses produce their best IQ somewhere between f/5.6 and f/8.0

Try 24-70 f2.8 II @ f2.8....Oppss, we talking about prime not zoom ::)
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2012, 12:03:26 PM »
Since I have good experience with Sigma 50mm F/1.4, I was expected the Sigma 35mm would outperform 35mm L.  However, I didn't expect it was like this good.  Now this lens is on my shopping list.
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2012, 12:19:39 PM »
Have to say...this new Canon 35mm is a very mediocre lens, to me.
I know that a lot of people had problems with their Sigma 50 mm f/1.4...but I have had nothing but a great experience with mine...and I personally think that the bokeh is just incredible. As good as it gets with a 50mm f/1.4.
These new Sigma lenses (artist Series) appear to be a cut above anything the Co. has done in the past and reports are the customer service is on the mend,too.  ...but don't tell what you are going to do. Show me. I think that Sigma has done that with their new 35mm....actually I think Canon has, too! :-)
The numbers don't show a very mediocre lens.  To put things in perspective, look back at LensRentals' "The Great 50mm Shootout" —
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/01/the-great-50mm-shootout
and it appears that the new Canon 35mm f/2 IS offers better resolution (center & average) wide open at f/2 than ANY of the 50mm lenses at f/2, with the exception of the legendary $4,000 Leica Summilux.  And keep in mind that most of those 50mm lenses are stopped down at f/2, whereas this new 35mm is wide open. 

It can't be too mediocre if it offers better resolution at f/2 than any of these lenses do at f/2:
Canon 50/1.4
Canon 50/1.2L
Nikon 50/1.4G
Sigma 50/1.4
Zeiss 50/1.4 (for Nikon & Canon)
Zeiss 50/2 Makro Planar (for Nikon & Canon)
Zeiss 50/2 Planar (for Leica M)
Zeiss 50/1.5 Sonnar (for Leica M)
Leica 50/2 Summicron
Leica 50/0.95 Noctilux

It's not surprising that the new 24/2.8 IS and 28/2.8 IS scored a bit higher on resoluton, as they are both f/2.8.  Stop down the new 35/2 IS to f/2.8 and it will score higher too.

One thing that the Sigma proves is that to make a better lens for a DSLR, you often have to make it BIGGER.  So it's bigger than the already largish Canon 35/1.4L.  It's no doubt going to be great for usage at f/1.4, and thus very attractive for photographers who will make use of that.  But for photographers who typically shoot at f/2 and smaller, the more compact Canon 35/2 IS may make more sense, especially with the addition of IS.

People are comparing the price of the new 35/2 IS and the old 35/2 and asking why pay so much more "just" for IS? — but they are overlooking the fact that the old 35/2 had that noisy AF motor from the 1980's and has a cheaper build overall.  Also, keep in mind that the new 35/2 IS is being introduced at $850 but isn't going to cost $850 in the long run.  The 24/2.8 IS and 28/2.8 IS were introduced at $850 and $800 and are both under $700 currently.
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2012, 12:50:12 PM »
The real winner is definitely the Sigma. What an awesome lens. Everywhere I look it is getting praised. AMAZING Sigma!!!
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2012, 12:58:07 PM »
I'd be curious to see how they all perform at, say, f/8.0

I  would never thought buying a f.1ish prime and shoot at f.4, 8 or 11?  Never hurt to ask ;D

No lens is sharpest wide open and typically all lenses produce their best IQ somewhere between f/5.6 and f/8.0

Try 24-70 f2.8 II @ f2.8....Oppss, we talking about prime not zoom ::)

what are you going on about? Even your precious 24-70 is best between f/5.6-8.

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2012, 01:04:54 PM »
The numbers don't show a very mediocre lens.  To put things in perspective, look back at LensRentals' "The Great 50mm Shootout" —
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/01/the-great-50mm-shootout
and it appears that the new Canon 35mm f/2 IS offers better resolution (center & average) wide open at f/2 than ANY of the 50mm lenses at f/2, with the exception of the legendary $4,000 Leica Summilux.  And keep in mind that most of those 50mm lenses are stopped down at f/2, whereas this new 35mm is wide open. 

It can't be too mediocre if it offers better resolution at f/2 than any of these lenses do at f/2:

Zlatko you make no sense, what does 50mm has to do with 35?
Plus, about build quality, i ve only seen the sigma from up close but the build quality is insane for the price.

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2012, 01:15:13 PM »
The numbers don't show a very mediocre lens.  To put things in perspective, look back at LensRentals' "The Great 50mm Shootout" —
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/01/the-great-50mm-shootout
and it appears that the new Canon 35mm f/2 IS offers better resolution (center & average) wide open at f/2 than ANY of the 50mm lenses at f/2, with the exception of the legendary $4,000 Leica Summilux.  And keep in mind that most of those 50mm lenses are stopped down at f/2, whereas this new 35mm is wide open. 

It can't be too mediocre if it offers better resolution at f/2 than any of these lenses do at f/2:

Zlatko you make no sense, what does 50mm has to do with 35?
Plus, about build quality, i ve only seen the sigma from up close but the build quality is insane for the price.
Why does it make no sense to compare resolution numbers of 35mm and 50mm lenses?  I'm just saying it's not a "mediocre" lens if it produces resolution better than some highly regarded 50's, even better than the Leica 50 Summicron.  Infared mentioned that he had a "great experience" with his Sigma 50/1.4, but described this new Canon 35 as "mediocre" — and yet the new Canon offers better resolution than his Sigma 50/1.4, ... so why not compare the numbers?

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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2012, 01:26:53 PM »
It can't be too mediocre if it offers better resolution at f/2 than any of these lenses do at f/2:
Canon 50/1.4
Canon 50/1.2L
Nikon 50/1.4G
Sigma 50/1.4
Zeiss 50/1.4 (for Nikon & Canon)
Zeiss 50/2 Makro Planar (for Nikon & Canon)
Zeiss 50/2 Planar (for Leica M)
Zeiss 50/1.5 Sonnar (for Leica M)
Leica 50/2 Summicron
Leica 50/0.95 Noctilux

Good point, it's better to compare the resolution figures with a wider set of primes like these. My Sigma 50/1.4 is really great, and sharp enough for me.
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2012, 02:15:19 PM »
The numbers don't show a very mediocre lens.  To put things in perspective, look back at LensRentals' "The Great 50mm Shootout" —
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/01/the-great-50mm-shootout
and it appears that the new Canon 35mm f/2 IS offers better resolution (center & average) wide open at f/2 than ANY of the 50mm lenses at f/2, with the exception of the legendary $4,000 Leica Summilux.  And keep in mind that most of those 50mm lenses are stopped down at f/2, whereas this new 35mm is wide open. 

It can't be too mediocre if it offers better resolution at f/2 than any of these lenses do at f/2:

Zlatko you make no sense, what does 50mm has to do with 35?
Plus, about build quality, i ve only seen the sigma from up close but the build quality is insane for the price.
Why does it make no sense to compare resolution numbers of 35mm and 50mm lenses?  I'm just saying it's not a "mediocre" lens if it produces resolution better than some highly regarded 50's, even better than the Leica 50 Summicron.  Infared mentioned that he had a "great experience" with his Sigma 50/1.4, but described this new Canon 35 as "mediocre" — and yet the new Canon offers better resolution than his Sigma 50/1.4, ... so why not compare the numbers?

Your point is very valid.  It should be noted the new lens destroys the 35L in every category when the 35L is wide open; it is only stopped down that it surpasses the new 35 f/2 IS in the corners.  In fact, if it weren't for the Sigma's numbers, we would probably think this new lens was pretty great.  But the Sigma is turning in some fantastic numbers...and that makes it hard to deny.
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Re: Canon EF 35 f/2 IS Resolution Test
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2012, 02:36:09 PM »
It's also worth remembering the value of the 35mm IS as a valuable addition to the primekit of a DSLR videographer. If the Sigma had IS, I would add it to my shopping list right away, but sinc eit doesn't, the only reason for me NOT to get the 35mm IS would be the choice between that and 24/28 which will probably be settles when I decide between going FF or staying on crop.
Regardless, as mentioned by others, the 35mmmk2 seems like QUITE an upgrade over the old version assuming that the AF is on par with the rest of canons new stuff and at least decent build :)
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