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paul13walnut5

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To buy M or not to buy M?
« on: December 14, 2012, 02:19:28 PM »
Handled one with the 18-55, yet to handle one with the 22mm on it (which is the kit I would go for)

Like it.  A lot.  A great compliment to my exsisting EOS gear.  If I get it.

However I do use some third party lenses, specifcially concerned about the Tokina 11-16, Sigma 30mm f1.4 and 70mm f2.8.  Lensbaby composer too.

Has anybody used any of these lenses via the EF adaptor? 

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To buy M or not to buy M?
« on: December 14, 2012, 02:19:28 PM »

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012, 06:32:01 PM »
I've tested my Lensbaby, also the Sigma 12-24 Mk I and my 600mm Vivitar Solid Cat - all appear to work absolutely fine.

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 08:23:43 PM »
I was at CPS the other day and talking about the M. Most pro photographers have bounced off the M for two main reasons. Slow & erratic AF plus the lack of a viewfinder, either EVF or optical. I guess I fit into this category too. Version-2 may be worth the wait. Personally I'd love one if the AF was up to scratch.

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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012, 09:25:46 PM »
To buy M or not to buy M?
...for me ...a RESOUNDING ....NOT!
I have a FF DSLR Kit.
...but my MFT Kit just shoots circles around the M. Big circles, small circles..all kinds of circles.
Sometimes it shoots circles around my Canon FF Kit...like when I want to hand-hold a shot in virtual darkness.
My Canon CANNOT do that. Don't get me wrong...I love my 5DIII...it has its place..
I personally believe that Canon missed the whole point of mirrorless.
...but I am a serious photographer....I realize that the average consumer may feel much differently.
5D Mark III, Canon 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye, Canon 17mm f/4L TS-E, Canon 16-35mm f/4L IS, 21mm f/2.8 Zeiss, Sigma 35mm f/1.4, 24-70mm f/2.8 II, 50mm f/1.4 Sigma, 85mm f/1.2L, 100mm f/2.8L Macro,70-200mm f/2.8L IS II...1.4x converter III, and some other stuff.....

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012, 09:38:38 PM »
I have one with the 22mm and EF adaptor. I got it so I don't have to lug my 5D3 everywhere.

A lot of people here bash the EOS-M for what it isn't supposed to be. Those opinions are misguided because the EOS-M isn't supposed to be your DSLR substitute. What it is is a compact with impeccable image quality, full manual control, AF points you can virtually focus anywhere in the scene. And to top it off, can use EF/EF-S lenses! The EOS-M is for those wanting to jump in the photography scene but don't want to get a chunky DSLR. Eventually when those people buy EF/EF-S lenses it'll be a much more economical transition to a DSLR.

Sure the AF is slow - what do you expect from a compact??? But take note the AF speed depends on what lens is on it - STM lenses focus fast, while it's painfully slow with my 16-35mm II. EVF? You don't put an EVF on a compact. Me, I compose just fine from the LCD.

Take the EOS-M for what it is. If you want a smaller body that has proper AF speed, get a 1100D/650D. Or a Sony Nex if you have a lot of money to still invest in another system. Otherwise there is no substitute to the DSLR you currently have.

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 05:11:10 AM »
I know this is a Canon users site but in my opinion the EOS-M is an overpriced mirrorless with poor features.

I would suggest getting a NEX-5N instead, you can get the kit with 18-55 and flash very cheap (around 450$)
I you do not need the lens/flash you can sell it for 150$+ and you have a very cheap mirrorless.


There are NEX-EF adapter on ebay for around 250$, the electronic one can use aperture and IS and some of them offer AF capabilities. I am going to use my MP-E and a EF-S 60mm macro on my NEX-5N with one of them

NEX-5N vs EOS-M

- Better sensor (better DR and lower noise)
- Better AF (Af is fast on the NEX)
- Much longer battery life (twice us much)
- Half the price

Lense choice for the NEX system is better than for EOS-M

You have the cheap sigma 19/2.8 and 30/2.8 which are tack sharp, 150$ on BHphoto
The new 35/1.8 OSS gives you a 50mm standard with IS, a bit expensive though 400$


The 22/2 canon is sexy though ;-)

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 05:18:16 AM »
I think the next version of M will have more of those missing features that some are whining about.   :)  For me, I just hope that its AF will be faster.  If they can do that, then I'd consider it as a replacement to my ageing G11.  An M + 22mm looks very nice.  Size is comparable enough to G11 and it fits in my belt bag which is something I'm looking for in a second body.  I'd also rather have a swivel screen than a viewfinder but that's me.  It's very useful for landscape and macro photography that I'm doing.

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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 05:18:16 AM »

paul13walnut5

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 08:29:09 AM »
Thanks for the responses, especially those thoughtful ones which appear to be to a question I hadn't asked.

Already have a 600d, another option is mounting a shorty forty I suppose...

I decided against the mft or nex route because apart from the Panasonic gf1 none have really floated my boated.
I'm concerned about the future of both mounts since Sony have bought into Olympus.

Besides, I don't want another lens system.

Does anybody know if there is af micro-adjust on the m?

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 08:50:24 AM »
In my opinion Sony and Olympus have a very good future, Sony has not bought Olympus but it is interested in its medical division. Olympus in exchange got a sony sensor on the OM-D M5 and the new PEN

You are going into a new lens system, so it does not matter if you buy Olympus, canon or sony as you will need new lenses and/or adapters. The only thing you can borrow on the EOS-M from its big brothers are flashes

I do not think it has AF micro adjustment because itr does not have a AF module. It focuses through the sensor
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 09:31:57 AM »
I generally don't adopt first generation electronic products.

paul13walnut5

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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2012, 06:52:30 PM »
You are going into a new lens system, so it does not matter if you buy Olympus, canon or sony as you will need new lenses and/or adapters. The only thing you can borrow on the EOS-M from its big brothers are flashes

If i buy I'll be going for the M + 22mm + Adaptor.

The 22mm pancake is probably the only EF-M lens I will own.   It will be for the bulk of the time when it's a pocket camera.  For any other occassion I'll use the Canon AF or third party lenses I already have. 

By the time you get beyond the pancake primes on any other system the cameras are far from compact.  So the taking of Canon lenses (which i already have) is a big plus.  Don't really fancy the metabones route...

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2012, 07:30:39 PM »
I generally don't adopt first generation electronic products...
...and with very good reason. Recent tech history is loaded with examples of why it makes a lot of sense to go with Generation 2. Original iPhone anyone? EOS 1Ds? I could make a long list here with Canons, Fujifilm, Panasonic, Leica, Nikon etc.

But along with around a billion other photographers I'll be keen to see Canon's next mirrorless offering.

If I just had to get on board with mirrorless right now, I'd be having a long hard look at the Olympus OM-D E M5. Read up here:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusem5/
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/olympus_om_d_e_m5_review.shtml

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2012, 07:57:48 PM »
Id go with a Leica M9

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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2012, 08:15:16 PM »
I'd go with a Leica M9

...and not the flawed original Leica M8? Oh yes...first generation.

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 08:49:46 PM »
i got the fuji x-e1 after waiting all that time for the M....  disappointed with it..

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 08:49:46 PM »