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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2013, 10:56:07 AM »
I know this is a Canon users site but in my opinion the EOS-M is an overpriced mirrorless with poor features.

I would suggest getting a NEX-5N instead, you can get the kit with 18-55 and flash very cheap (around 450$)
I you do not need the lens/flash you can sell it for 150$+ and you have a very cheap mirrorless.


There are NEX-EF adapter on ebay for around 250$, the electronic one can use aperture and IS and some of them offer AF capabilities. I am going to use my MP-E and a EF-S 60mm macro on my NEX-5N with one of them

NEX-5N vs EOS-M

- Better sensor (better DR and lower noise)
- Better AF (Af is fast on the NEX)
- Much longer battery life (twice us much)
- Half the price

Lense choice for the NEX system is better than for EOS-M

You have the cheap sigma 19/2.8 and 30/2.8 which are tack sharp, 150$ on BHphoto
The new 35/1.8 OSS gives you a 50mm standard with IS, a bit expensive though 400$


The 22/2 canon is sexy though ;-)

Yes, go 'N' :D

I love my little kit (and have the Sigma 30mm f/2.8 in E-mount, a great little lens).
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2013, 10:56:07 AM »

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2013, 03:47:34 PM »
I'm actually glad I've held off, the M price is just dropping and dropping.  AF seems to suck, but I'm not buying one for that..

I like the form of the N cameras, but I just can't imagine being able to find an E mount lens in 10 years time, or an f2.8 telezoom just now.

And besides, I already have my EF and EF-s glass.

$400 for an M & 22 is very tempting even after import duty etc.

Going to try and punt my HDV camera and see if that raises enough to get the M 22 EF adaptor combo methinks.

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2013, 04:51:04 AM »
I like the form of the N cameras, but I just can't imagine being able to find an E mount lens in 10 years time, or an f2.8 telezoom just now.

I wonder how relevant that is, really. Camera systems come and go (except Nikon F mount).
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2013, 05:57:29 AM »
...I just can't imagine being able to find an E mount lens in 10 years time, or an f2.8 telezoom just now.

I think we're a bit early in this game to pick clear winners and losers.  FWIW, I would think that micro-4/3rds and Sony E-mount would be the two main contender to survive (perhaps along with Fuji X-mount).  Nikon '1' seems stillborn, I wouldn't be surprised if they dump it (quietly) and re-launch an APS-C based system.  As for Samsung, you would struggle to buy most of their lenses and accessories here in the UK [think I'm joking: http://camerapricebuster.co.uk/manu.php?n=Samsung&m=17 - where the heck are the rest of the lenses... not available?  ???]. 

I would definitely not (with bells and whistles) buy the 'M' as a system camera until there are a lot more lenses available.  That's not to say that it wouldn't make sense to get one with the 22mm f/2 if the price was right and it met your needs; just don't bank on there ever being an extensive range of quality lenses in the future. 

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2013, 10:48:00 AM »
I like the form of the N cameras, but I just can't imagine being able to find an E mount lens in 10 years time, or an f2.8 telezoom just now.

I wonder how relevant that is, really. Camera systems come and go (except Nikon F mount).

Relevant now because there aren't decent fast aperture zooms in E-mount.  EF mount has been around now for 25 years, and there are new platforms using it (cinema cameras and cinema lenses, third party cinema cameras like the BMD's etc)

Relevant now also because I don't want to buy into another system.


I think we're a bit early in this game to pick clear winners and losers.  FWIW, I would think that micro-4/3rds and Sony E-mount would be the two main contender to survive (perhaps along with Fuji X-mount).  Nikon '1' seems stillborn, I wouldn't be surprised if they dump it (quietly) and re-launch an APS-C based system.  As for Samsung, you would struggle to buy most of their lenses and accessories here in the UK [think I'm joking: http://camerapricebuster.co.uk/manu.php?n=Samsung&m=17 - where the heck are the rest of the lenses... not available?  ???]. 

I don't know.  Didn't Sony buy up shares in Olympus?  Would Sony keep both mounts going?  (3 if you include legacy dynax)

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I would definitely not (with bells and whistles) buy the 'M' as a system camera until there are a lot more lenses available.  That's not to say that it wouldn't make sense to get one with the 22mm f/2 if the price was right and it met your needs; just don't bank on there ever being an extensive range of quality lenses in the future.

There are lots and lots of lenses canon available to fit via the adaptor, including the ones I have in my kit bag, available to me now at no extra cost.

22mm for pocket camera use, adaptor for video stuff etc.  I wouldn't use the M to replace my SLR for stills where high performance is needed.

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2013, 11:37:33 AM »
I like the form of the N cameras, but I just can't imagine being able to find an E mount lens in 10 years time, or an f2.8 telezoom just now.

I wonder how relevant that is, really. Camera systems come and go (except Nikon F mount).

Relevant now because there aren't decent fast aperture zooms in E-mount.  ...

It's not going to happen because of the size of such fast lenses. Compactness is more important in mirrorless-land and with ever higher quality iso's, who needs a fast zoom?

Keep the fast stuff for the DSLR's :)
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2013, 12:16:28 PM »

It's not going to happen because of the size of such fast lenses. Compactness is more important in mirrorless-land and with ever higher quality iso's, who needs a fast zoom?

Keep the fast stuff for the DSLR's :)

Some of the very fast primes like the voigtlander M43 are very interesting from a video point of view.

I think you hit the nail on the head, folk were expecting an SLR beater from the M, but which of the mirrorless cameras are, the GH3? from a video context at least.

What makes the M viable for me is the mirrorless compactness with the 22mm prime when you want it, EF lenses when you need or want more.  I suppose those with the bright Olympus 43 telezooms can adapt them to M43, and the same is true of MAF users with N cameras.  The point being, I already have the nice canon mount lenses I want to use.

None of the mirrorless cameras are compact with anything other than a pancake lens on them.  It's a segment I don't quite understand, and I think a lot of canon users are the same when it comes to the M.

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2013, 01:27:23 PM »
None of the mirrorless cameras are compact with anything other than a pancake lens on them.  It's a segment I don't quite understand, and I think a lot of canon users are the same when it comes to the M.

It does make sense if you have a little kit limited to about 2 or 3 small lenses that'll fit in a tiny bag and allows 'real' photography none the less. A nice quality alternative to a DSLR that you can take on almost any occasion where you don't want to bring the big SLR, or just want to shoot some casual photo's. The 'M' does that, and so do its rivals.

I must say such a mirrorless kit makes more sense when you compare the size of the system to a kit consisting of (semi) pro bodies and lenses rather than a little XXX(x)D with a mega-zoom lens. But that suits a different target audience IMHO.

I've a tiny 2-lens selection for my Nex-6 at the moment: the Sony E PZ 16-50 mm F3.5-5.6 OSS and the Sigma 30mm F2.8 EX DN. This combination will squeeze into a Lowepro Compact Courier 70, External Dimensions: 16.5 x 8 x 20.5 cm (6.50 x 3.15 x 8.07 in). I've no real ambition to use tele-lenses on this kit. The EVF however good it is, is a little too detached for fast work and the relatively fast AF on the Nex-6 is slow compared to a good DSLR. I do have a NEX-FD adapter though that allows me to use some old FD stuff I have, i.e. 70-210 F/4 FDn and 135 mm f/2.5 FL. The latter I still have to give a try.
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2013, 06:46:19 PM »
Hi all. I own an S90, and it's been a good camera.

I've been thinking about the EOS-M, have read and watched all about the auto-focus. I played with my S90, and it seems to me that the auto-focus speed is roughly similar. I have never owned a DSLR, only G and S series cameras, that's what I'm used to.

It seems that it just fails when compared to a DSLR, but considered as a compact, it's nothing unusual.

Another observation is that the touch screen appears to be far more efficient to operate than a bunch of knobs, yet this efficiency isn't appreciated as part of overall speed of operation.

So as a S90 owner, I may be happy with the EOS-M. I mostly look to a small camera to take on long hikes. The price drops are very enticing.

Thoughts?
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2013, 08:09:07 PM »
Want the same size? Buy the SL1 and ensure you will have a good supply of new and used Ef and EF-S glass.
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2013, 09:10:49 PM »
I'm pretty sure if I didn't have a 5D2 to use, I'd be about ready to throw my M against a wall. Usually it just sits in the cabinet as I lug around 20 lbs in equipment to school. Understand IT'S NOT A DSLR replacement. It's a great camera if you look at the camera what way. It focuses about how fast a point and shoot would be. It has a lot of fun features (profesionally I don't use them but taking pictures with friends, it comes in handy).

It's a great camera overall and with the recent $400 Ebay M with 22mm lens, I'd TOTALLY GET IT AGAIN. HAHAHAH I got it when it was $720 though.

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2013, 06:13:00 PM »
I bought one and I'm very glad I did,fantastic iQ

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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #72 on: April 17, 2013, 06:18:34 PM »
I bought one and I'm very glad I did,fantastic iQ

Post some pics
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #73 on: April 17, 2013, 06:24:13 PM »
I bought a M a couple of months back - I'm a bit baffled by the people going on about the AF - yes, it's slower than a DSLR, but no worse than a point and shoot camera.  Great piccies, carry it everywhere with me
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Re: To buy M or not to buy M?
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2013, 11:59:18 AM »
Not.  I did and wish I hadn't.  Took it back and bought a Fuji X20.  Glad I did.  (also "saved" enough for the regular EOS 40mm for my real cameras)

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