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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2012, 05:13:55 PM »
In that case, on what are your scathing comments on the 50L based?  Rented it a few times, perhaps?  Or have you just read lots of reviews?  Personally, I've never used the 28/1.8, but reviews call it soft and 'disappointing' (and the 'kinda ok' 24L II and 35L are certainly sharper). How does that match up with your real-world experience with the 28/1.8?

it´s the Nikon F-mount one.. not the Canon EF.. i used to have the 7D and was here a looot.. still have the habit of coming here.. and yeah.. the 28mm is also "kinda ok", never praised the lord out of it.. but the 50L is really rather bad.. when you take the 1400€ price.. for ~800€.. it would be a whole lot better.. and i hope you are mature enough not to mock me having a "sony".. i am loyal to the price/performance ratio.. :)

and for all the other children that like to be smart about stuff.. the sub-100mm L lenses that i mentioned.. were fast-primes (i didn´t write it because i thought it was self-explanatory, seem to have been mistaken).. the TS-E when not T-ed are over-designed.. how the heck would it look like if whey were soft? grow up, please - thank you.


edit: oh right, my background with the 50L was rather brief, when they had a "try it out" at a sport event - on the screen it looked rather nice.. but on the PC.. it was "kinda ok" for a 800€ lens.. and "CRAP" for a 1400€ lens..
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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2012, 05:13:55 PM »

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« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2012, 05:40:10 PM »
ef 14/2.8LII here we come, cuz teh 12-24 will be $3000+.  I just need the validation.


I was thinking more like $2400 to 2500? Optimistic ?  :)


Maybe, but the 14LII is still much less at $1999 CAD right now.
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« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2012, 05:49:34 PM »
the 50L is CRAP.. .. the 85L is the only sub 100mm L that kicks some serious ass..

Interesting.  So, you owned the 50L and, what...chucked it in the bin?  Better bokeh than any Sigma lens and most Canon lenses, but sure...crap.  Maybe intended use, portraits, for example, should be considered?  Naah, you're right it's crap.

You're right about no other sub-100mm L lenses except the 85L being any good, either.  My TS-E 24L II must be crap, too.
+1. 50L is a great tool for an artist, not the best one for making test chart shots. It's all about who you want to be  ;)


This is actually a great statement and very useful for people looking for the more expensive lenses the first time.
There are always a lot of conflicting statements about every lens (every tool for that matter) on the Internet. For most good lenses, the negative comments come from people who never used it or shot charts.
I read so much bullshit about the 17-55's dust issue before just renting it, loving it and buying it.
Same with the 70-200 IS mark I.
People keep talking about back-focusing issues on the 50 1.2 and lack of sharpness on the 35 1.4 yet so many people are using them everyday with great results- that itself should be the hint.

Back to topic: anyone thinks this might be a 1.2? Although Canon can definitely just make ample optic and build improvements to justify a mark II, a 35 1.2 would be nice :) Especially since I am still on crop for at least a while...






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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2012, 06:11:14 PM »

Back to topic: anyone thinks this might be a 1.2? Although Canon can definitely just make ample optic and build improvements to justify a mark II, a 35 1.2 would be nice :) Especially since I am still on crop for at least a while...

No...The patent was posted here a bit earlier... Even if it is something very different from that it will most likely remain  f1.4. Wide angle lens designs present unique set of problems to overcome and I don't think canon will complicate things.... They probably just want to update an aging lens with tweaks and in the process counter Sigma quickly... Introducing new variables, and further increasing what is likely to be a high price already for 1.4 is not something canon will want to try now.
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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2012, 06:58:42 PM »
i am loyal to the price/performance ratio.. :)

it was "kinda ok" for a 800€ lens.. and "CRAP" for a 1400€ lens..

and for all the other children...

That's your personal value judgement, and while you're entitled to it, the lens performs as it does, regardless of price.  The $13K 600mm f/4L IS II costs $4K more than its predecessor.  Are the optical improvements and lower weight worth $4K?  Was the original worth $9K?  Perhaps not to you...but does that make either lens crap?  A Chevy Camero ZL1 has just as big an engine as a Mercedes C63 AMG, but the Chevy is half the price - that much better price/performance ratio that you're so loyal to means that Mercedes must be crap, right?

As for parroting the statements of others and calling a lens which is a favorite portrait lens of many photographers for good reason, and more importantly, one that you have very limited experience with, crap, well, thanks for being a shining beacon of maturity.
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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #65 on: December 23, 2012, 07:31:10 PM »
anyone has a rough idea of the price for the 35L II? im seeing a price tag of roughly $2,000.00 correct me if im wrong.

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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #66 on: December 23, 2012, 07:42:16 PM »
I have a 14mm 2.8 II and the 24mm 1.4 II.... Would I get rid of them for the 14-24 zoom? Tough thoughts there..

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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #66 on: December 23, 2012, 07:42:16 PM »

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« Reply #67 on: December 23, 2012, 07:47:23 PM »
That's your personal value judgement, and while you're entitled to it, the lens performs as it does, regardless of price.  The $13K 600mm f/4L IS II costs $4K more than its predecessor.  Are the optical improvements and lower weight worth $4K?  Was the original worth $9K?  Perhaps not to you...but does that make either lens crap?  A Chevy Camero ZL1 has just as big an engine as a Mercedes C63 AMG, but the Chevy is half the price - that much better price/performance ratio that you're so loyal to means that Mercedes must be crap, right?

As for parroting the statements of others and calling a lens which is a favorite portrait lens of many photographers for good reason, and more importantly, one that you have very limited experience with, crap, well, thanks for being a shining beacon of maturity.

did you really just compare an American riverboat with four wheels attached to it to a C63 AMG to make a point and put the word immature on the end of it? judging from that alone.. you either don´t know jack about cars.. or you must be american.. if anything.. the 50L is a Camaro being sold for 20k more than the Mercedes.. but can´t handle fast corners (f1.2 and 1.4).. and all it has for it are fancy looks and a big engine (f/1.2) for the straights (portraiture).. if you find it justifiable to spend 800€ more for the 50L than the Sigma 50/1.4.. by all means.. it´s your money..

okay.. let me correct my harshness from before. the 50L is what it is - but for the price that they charge you, it ought to be a lot more of what it now just is not. i know you don´t give a furry crack of a rats behind.. but for the average consumer, the price policy of Canon in the last year or so (50L EFs have always been a bit silly).. is just plain ridiculous and you have to agree that although it is a creative lens.. if you consider what you actually get for your buck.. it is rather a bit of a pile of something - or if it´s the word that bothers you.. the lens is rather.. ridiculously over-priced for what it can optically do - the 50/1.4 for 400€.. is 95% as useful for 3.5x less.. and even you can´t deny.. the bokeh that the Sigma delivers.. is pretty darn creamy but just a bit less of.

and as for the big white thingies.. they tend not to sell that many, development tends to be just as high as with mass lenses, production is rather specific and more by hand than the mass ones.. the 9k$ in 1999 is about 12.5k$ in 2012.. when the 13k$ price goes down a bit.. yeah.. the new price is justified.

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« Reply #68 on: December 23, 2012, 07:49:38 PM »
anyone has a rough idea of the price for the 35L II? im seeing a price tag of roughly $2,000.00 correct me if im wrong.

Probably $1500 or so... If they go with $2000 that would cut the possible buyers down significantly....this is a general wide angle lens... Lots of people could want it...but only if priced properly...go a bit too high it becomes a specialty type pricing (like TS E, or ultra wide prime at 2k as in 14mm). No they will have to come somewhere in the 1500 to 1600 range...it will quickly slide down to the current L prime average of ~1400 after release and initial rush is gone. Not sustainable for a 35mm otherwise.
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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #69 on: December 23, 2012, 07:51:56 PM »
Hmmm.. Just need to wait for the 14-24 to actually be announced.. then that's another 3 months working my butt off for another piece of camera equipment.  But it'll be worth it :)
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« Reply #70 on: December 23, 2012, 08:42:16 PM »
the lens is rather.. ridiculously over-priced for what it can optically do - the 50/1.4 for 400€.. is 95% as useful for 3.5x less.. and even you can´t deny.. the bokeh that the Sigma delivers.. is pretty darn creamy but just a bit less of.

Optically, the Sigma 50/1.4 seems quite good.  But when I read reliable reports describing the Sigma's AF as "very inconsistent" (TDP) and "schizophrenic" (lensrentals.com)...well, I'd rather not have my intended subject be part of that creamy bokeh - the best IQ in the world sucks if the lens can't achieve correct focus. 

It's interesting that you mentioned the 85L as 'bad ass' - given slow AF, and that the 85/1.8 is one of the best values in the Canon lineup for IQ/cost, and the very nice Sigma 85/1.4 is half the price of the 85L, I'd have thought the 85L would also be an overpriced pile of...whatever.
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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #71 on: December 23, 2012, 08:47:10 PM »
And the 50/1.2 L is a sub-par piece of cr*p as well by todays standards. A Sigma 50/1.4 runs circles around it. 

Crap may be too strong a word, but I agree the 50L is not good value for money. I dare anyone to put it in their top 5 best primes (super teles excluded) if their life depended on it. I mean, my top 5 would be 100mm f2.8L IS Macro, 135mm f2, 85mm f1.2, 24mm II TS-E, 35mm f1.4.

I'm really surprised canon is refreshing the 35mm 1.4. I really feel it should be the 50mm 1.2 they should be updating. I guess Sigma got them pissed...

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Re: Announcement on January 8, 2013? New Lenses [CR1]
« Reply #72 on: December 23, 2012, 09:10:11 PM »
Ummm can we get back to talkin about 14-24 and 35s? This 50L talk is ruining our fun!
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« Reply #73 on: December 23, 2012, 09:19:04 PM »
And the 50/1.2 L is a sub-par piece of cr*p as well by todays standards. A Sigma 50/1.4 runs circles around it. 
Crap may be too strong a word, but I agree the 50L is not good value for money. I dare anyone to put it in their top 5 best primes (super teles excluded) if their life depended on it. I mean, my top 5 would be 100mm f2.8L IS Macro, 135mm f2, 85mm f1.2, 24mm II TS-E, 35mm f1.4.

The 50/1.2L stands out in the EF lens line, not for its sharpness, but for the beautiful way in which it draws, especially in the f/1.2 to f/2.8 range.  Canon obviously designed it with a certain look in mind.  It is easily my most-used prime and the last L prime that I would sell.  The 24L, 35L, 85L, 100L and 135L are all exquisitely good, but not as useful for me.  And it tests pretty well for sharpness.  In LensRentals.com's "The Great 50mm Shootout", the 50L tested better for sharpness than Nikon, Sigma and Zeiss 50mm lenses, though not quite as high as two Leica 50mm lenses.
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« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2012, 09:26:24 PM »
Ummm can we get back to talkin about 14-24 and 35s? This 50L talk is ruining our fun!
Sure thing, now that I've commented on that "crap" lens.  :)

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« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2012, 09:26:24 PM »