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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2012, 10:05:25 AM »
Why if it's in a 1 series style body couldn't an upcoming high MP body be called the 1Ds mk IV?

The 1D X has most of the resolution of the 1Ds mk III, and other than reach, everything the 1D mk IV had - while it wasn't a direct descendant of either, it made it a suitable replacement for both lines, even if a few missed either the resolution or reach. Having said that, putting FPS before MP in the 1D X is more of a trait of the 1D series than 1Ds - it's just the change in sensor size which necessitated a new naming convention.

The 1Ds line were high MP studio cameras. And as proved by the G12, G1 X and then G15, the new X variant doesn't necessarily mean the end of the line for the old way of doing things.

Calling it the Canon 1Ds mk IV makes more sense to me than calling it the Canon 3D
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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2012, 10:05:25 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2012, 10:59:46 AM »
Calling it the Canon 1Ds mk IV makes more sense to me than calling it the Canon 3D
Or 1Ds X

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« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2012, 11:46:30 AM »
at 50MP why not just do a medium format camera ?


That would need a new range of lenses...

They came up with a range of lenses for the Canon EOS Cinema cameras.

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« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2012, 11:49:39 AM »
There's no way Canon is going to enter the medium format market.  That would be incredibly stupid, for many reasons that I shouldn't have to go into here.
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« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2012, 12:35:18 PM »
Why if it's in a 1 series style body couldn't an upcoming high MP body be called the 1Ds mk IV?
I bet it won't be called anything "D". When all cameras are digital, the D is superfluous anyway, and I think time is about ripe to drop it. Maybe "EOS 1S" if it's 1-series like body with vertical handle, or 3S or 5S without. Or maybe some other letter. Given "EOS M" they might even drop the initial number altogether ("EOS S"), but I don't think that's very likely.

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« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2012, 01:30:45 PM »
I wonder how many fantazillion dollars this camera will cost...

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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2012, 03:35:33 PM »
There's no way Canon is going to enter the medium format market.  That would be incredibly stupid, for many reasons that I shouldn't have to go into here.

Can you explain it for us noobs?

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« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2012, 03:45:04 PM »
There's no way Canon is going to enter the medium format market.  That would be incredibly stupid, for many reasons that I shouldn't have to go into here.

Can you explain it for us noobs?

Canon has pretty much, overall, dominated the DSLR market for a long time and is still very successful.  There are already elite medium format makers out there, who have been dominating that market for years.  Each have their own lenses, accessories, etc., that sell really well too.  The medium format market is so much smaller than the DSLR market, there's no reason that Canon would try to compete there.  Much better to stay in their own market.  If they just enter MF, how are they going to compete with Leica and Hasselblad?  It would hardly be worth even trying.
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« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2012, 02:55:36 AM »
Was on http://photography-on-the.net forum and came across this picture. 


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8504/8323143537_5de79d2ef4_b.jpg

That's a 5D mk II. The light is hitting the 5 in such a way that it looks like a 3.
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« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2012, 04:11:34 AM »
Interesting... If Canon wil put the sensor in a 1D style body the price will be in the 10k's

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« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2012, 06:54:59 AM »
calling it or pricing it like a 1D series camera unless you really only want to sell 5 of them worldwide. Didn't you learn your lesson with the 5D2 and 1Ds mkIII? Nikon learned. There aren't enough people willing to buy cameras priced at $5K, $6k or $7k to turn a real profit unless this is a Boy's Club move designed for reputational purposes only.

Do not listen to folks who claim they need a rugged, super heavy camera to shoot high resolution applications. It doesn't rain in  studios to my knowledge and anyone shooting landscapes or archtecture in the rain are kinda nuts. I own a 5D2 and a 3Dx and now a D800E (yet to accompany me on a photo trip) and the 3Dx is so unnecessarily large and heavy that I reach for my 5D2 90% of the time for hiking and the backcountry. That's not the way it should be because the D3x is a much better camera than the 5D2.

50 MPs? Are you cramming this many Px on a 35mm format sensor so that you can justify the rumor price? I'll take 50 MPs no sweat but I'll pay market price for them based on Nikon's price of $3299 for 36 MP. That's about $4600 tops.

And finally, to those who inexplicably wish to see high a resolution camera released in a 1D series body, keep in mind that Canon doesn't run rebates or reduce the price of 1D series cameras until clearance time.
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« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2012, 08:17:14 AM »
calling it or pricing it like a 1D series camera unless you really only want to sell 5 of them worldwide. Didn't you learn your lesson with the 5D2 and 1Ds mkIII? Nikon learned. There aren't enough people willing to buy cameras priced at $5K, $6k or $7k to turn a real profit unless this is a Boy's Club move designed for reputational purposes only.

Do not listen to folks who claim they need a rugged, super heavy camera to shoot high resolution applications. It doesn't rain in  studios to my knowledge and anyone shooting landscapes or archtecture in the rain are kinda nuts. I own a 5D2 and a 3Dx and now a D800E (yet to accompany me on a photo trip) and the 3Dx is so unnecessarily large and heavy that I reach for my 5D2 90% of the time for hiking and the backcountry. That's not the way it should be because the D3x is a much better camera than the 5D2.

50 MPs? Are you cramming this many Px on a 35mm format sensor so that you can justify the rumor price? I'll take 50 MPs no sweat but I'll pay market price for them based on Nikon's price of $3299 for 36 MP. That's about $4600 tops.

And finally, to those who inexplicably wish to see high a resolution camera released in a 1D series body, keep in mind that Canon doesn't run rebates or reduce the price of 1D series cameras until clearance time.

Though I totally agree with you in theory, I doubt it will happen.

Canon will not put it agains the D800, they will offer a higher-end model - which means a 1D body and price.

In all honesty this makes sense, since I can only imagine certain pros to need 50MP. Nikon's choice has been kind of brave and certainly revolutionary.




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« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2012, 08:40:37 AM »
Yeah, Canons current upper limit of MP to the low 20's is a good compromise for most people.

If you have a 50+ MP body, getting all of those extra pixels to work for you isn't impossible, but it'll be hard work. Diffraction will start robbing you of resolution beyond about f6.7, so to make use of all those pixels you'll need a lens capable of resolving 50+ MP of detail at large apertures. And if you want a large depth of field while making use of that resolution, TS-E's or focus stacking are probably your only option.

This will be a camera for a limited market.
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« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2012, 08:49:59 AM »
It doesn't rain in  studios to my knowledge and anyone shooting landscapes or archtecture in the rain are kinda nuts.

I do shoot in the rain, and I probably am a bit nuts, but I also have an umbrella.....
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