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Re: Is it hard not to buy 3rd party lenses now?
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2012, 08:16:49 PM »
Thing is £1000 more to a pro making money isnt a lot... It will pay for itself quickly, when you can rely on the quality of the lens. But it is to an amateur, and you could happily buy one if not two more lenses with that saving.

But I would rely on Canon L glass, it will take the knocks and bangs of intense pro use. Kit is for using and are not museum pieces. If they break and you get the shot its worth it and buy another.

Also IS is helpful, but IS has not been around forever. People have been shooting without it for a looooong time.

Anyway ye useful, but a deal breaker? For a pro no... You will always shoot in a range that will produce a sharp images. Although I will admit IS does help with creativity, shooting in lower light, but with better high ISO camera performance you can rely less on IS. Also the subject is more of a concern than camera shake, if you are an experienced photographer you know the limits you shoot in, its also down to technique.

I do like IS I have it in most of my lenses but more because they all now come with them. I still have a 70-200mm F2.8 that I bought in 2004, I shoot sharp non blurry images in all sorts of situations without problem.

The Tamron will appeal to the amateurs but put it though some pro shooting I dont think it will hold up well in a long term comparison.

But from a truly cost perspective ye completely understand and I dont care who you are, Canon adding an extra £1000 canon tax over the previous is a lot and you can understand why people are angry and the people that bought it are defensive. But compared to the original MKI at release its not much different.
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Re: Is it hard not to buy 3rd party lenses now?
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2012, 08:16:49 PM »

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Re: Is it hard not to buy 3rd party lenses now?
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2012, 04:49:49 AM »
Dylan, your comments are based on your own, personal, biased, limited, non-scientific experience with one copy on of one lens and one copy of the other.

Now, nobody denies that it is enough for you - or even better, that this is the most important review to you.

That said, all the main in-depth reviews agree on the value of this lens and on its superiority to Canon Mk1. It goes by itself that if someone was happy with the Mk1, he will be only happier with more sharpness and IS at a very good price.

Is it better than Canon Mk2? Optically and mechanically quite likely not, but it has IS, and many people like this feature a lot. Also, it costs a half, and even more people like this feature.

So please stop this pointless crusade and try to understand that better can mean a lot of things, and ultimately it means "it suits my needs better".

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Re: Is it hard not to buy 3rd party lenses now?
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2012, 08:09:10 AM »
Dylan, your comments are based on your own, personal, biased, limited, non-scientific experience with one copy on of one lens and one copy of the other.

Now, nobody denies that it is enough for you - or even better, that this is the most important review to you.

That said, all the main in-depth reviews agree on the value of this lens and on its superiority to Canon Mk1. It goes by itself that if someone was happy with the Mk1, he will be only happier with more sharpness and IS at a very good price.

Is it better than Canon Mk2? Optically and mechanically quite likely not, but it has IS, and many people like this feature a lot. Also, it costs a half, and even more people like this feature.

So please stop this pointless crusade and try to understand that better can mean a lot of things, and ultimately it means "it suits my needs better".

Exactly

'Testing' one copy of a lens that hasn't been calibrated with something like FoCal to your camera body in a shop means absolutely nothing in an objective sense.



Also IS is helpful, but IS has not been around forever. People have been shooting without it for a looooong time.

Anyway ye useful, but a deal breaker? For a pro no... You will always shoot in a range that will produce a sharp images. Although I will admit IS does help with creativity, shooting in lower light, but with better high ISO camera performance you can rely less on IS. Also the subject is more of a concern than camera shake, if you are an experienced photographer you know the limits you shoot in, its also down to technique.


People took photos for a long time before autofocus was around (and still do using their zeiss/nikon ai/leica glass on ef cameras). That doesn't mean that AF is useless to professionals.

For certain types of video (particularly run and gun documentary/documentation/wedding reception footage), IS is a massive plus to the point of quite possibly being a deal breaker (and this is where you're likely to be using a standard zoom quite heavily - for fiction where you have controlled conditions and time to set things up then you're likely to be using primes). Or do people making money from video count as amateurs now?

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Re: Is it hard not to buy 3rd party lenses now?
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2012, 11:42:24 AM »
Dylan, your comments are based on your own, personal, biased, limited, non-scientific experience with one copy on of one lens and one copy of the other.

Now, nobody denies that it is enough for you - or even better, that this is the most important review to you.

That said, all the main in-depth reviews agree on the value of this lens and on its superiority to Canon Mk1. It goes by itself that if someone was happy with the Mk1, he will be only happier with more sharpness and IS at a very good price.

Is it better than Canon Mk2? Optically and mechanically quite likely not, but it has IS, and many people like this feature a lot. Also, it costs a half, and even more people like this feature.

So please stop this pointless crusade and try to understand that better can mean a lot of things, and ultimately it means "it suits my needs better".

Exactly

'Testing' one copy of a lens that hasn't been calibrated with something like FoCal to your camera body in a shop means absolutely nothing in an objective sense.



Also IS is helpful, but IS has not been around forever. People have been shooting without it for a looooong time.

Anyway ye useful, but a deal breaker? For a pro no... You will always shoot in a range that will produce a sharp images. Although I will admit IS does help with creativity, shooting in lower light, but with better high ISO camera performance you can rely less on IS. Also the subject is more of a concern than camera shake, if you are an experienced photographer you know the limits you shoot in, its also down to technique.


People took photos for a long time before autofocus was around (and still do using their zeiss/nikon ai/leica glass on ef cameras). That doesn't mean that AF is useless to professionals.

For certain types of video (particularly run and gun documentary/documentation/wedding reception footage), IS is a massive plus to the point of quite possibly being a deal breaker (and this is where you're likely to be using a standard zoom quite heavily - for fiction where you have controlled conditions and time to set things up then you're likely to be using primes). Or do people making money from video count as amateurs now?

My final comment on this topic:
@ Syder -- I'm 90% sure you haven't own the Tamrom nor Canon ver II yet, therefore, your comments on these lenses are pointless. A quick advice for you, don't give comment on the lenses that you haven't own.

I own Reikan FoCal  Pro version. All my lenses 50L, 16-35 II, 24-70 II and 70-200 f2.8 IS II are succesfully calibrated(AFMA) with FoCal. And yes....that includes the Tamron - W+1, +2T @ f2.8


Off topic:
Just for the record, I'm not a Canon fan. If I in the market for the 35mm prime, the new Sigma will be my choice.

Let close this chapter and move on...... ;) 
« Last Edit: December 29, 2012, 11:44:47 AM by Dylan777 »
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Re: Is it hard not to buy 3rd party lenses now?
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2012, 11:42:24 AM »