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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2012, 10:13:43 PM »
Okay, I"m thrilled to have finally received my 5D MK III!  Coming from my 7D I have some of the longer focal lengths covered, 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II and the legendary 100-400mm L.  Most of my wider lenses are EF-s Lenses like my wonderful EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8...

I need some wider glass for my 5D III any suggestions?  I'm looking at 24-70 f/2.8, 24-105 f/4, or maybe primes like a 24mm or 35mm or 50mm f/1.4... any thoughts??   EF 85mm 1.8 is on my short list, but it's not really wide...

Thanks!!

24-70 2.8 II is good and will deliver the same edge to edge sharp pics on the 5D3 as your 17-55 2.8 IS did on the 7D.

The 24-105 cost a lot less and has IS but it won't be as crisp edge to edge as the 17-55 was (or even quite as sharp anywhere).

There is the upcoming 24-70 4 IS. Perhaps it would be most similar to your 17-55 in that you get the same degree of low DOF ability and IS. Hopefully it does better than the 24-105. The MTF suggest it will be similar to the 24-70 2.8 II at the long end although not quite as good on the short end although better at either end than the 24-105. It remains to be seen.

The 24 2.8 prime is no better than the zooms.

The 24 1.4 II is very good, although if you don't need the f/1.4-2 much then the 24-70 2.8 II pretty much covers it since it's a really good zoom (the 24-105 doesn't do as well as the 24 1.4 II even at f/6.3-f/11 for landscapes).

The new 24 2.8 IS might be decent enough.

The 24 T&S II is very good and lets you adjust all sorts of things that you can't with a regular lens, it is specialized though and Samyang is coming out with one soon for a fraction of the price, maybe that one will be good (their 14mm is crazy good other than TONS of distortion).

Zeiss 21mm 2.8 is very good.

17 T&S is good if you want fancy, specialized ultra-wide work.

A 35 1.4 or 50 1.4 is nice for some low DOF work and such. I've been wary of sigma in the past but their 35 1.4 is getting amazing reviews and apparently the AF isn't bad on it. The Canon 50 1.4 has dodgy AF, an ancient and unique AF design that also is prone to breaking but it performs well optically for a standard 50mm design (an exotic-type design might do better wide open though). I'd favor a 35 1.4 over a 50 1.4 on FF, I think, but it's up to you.

50mm definitely is not wide, 35mm is only starting to get wide.

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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2012, 10:13:43 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2012, 10:15:52 PM »
the 24-70 II appears to be sharper than any L prime in that focal length range at 2.8

This isn't true. The 24-70 ii is sharper than any prime @ 24mm - ie where it is sharpest. The 40mm f2.8 50mm f1.4 and 1.8 and 85mm 1.8 are all sharper at the edges and corners than the 24-70 ii. As are lenses like the Sigma 70mm macro.

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but it is sharper than most other standard zooms across the range though and it does have everythign built-in instead of a mess of swapping primes all the time.

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« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2012, 10:21:40 PM »
I had asked about the ultra wide end as well, due to someone mentioning to me that there is a wide Canon lens that is reticular, keeping the barrel distortion to the bare minimum and helping keep the lines straight.  I wasn't sure about it and the guy that told me about it, didn't know what lens it was, just that it was an EF lens...

They have a 14mm, pretty pricey. The samyang has less CA and may be sharper but it does have a lot of distortion so the Canon is better if that matters a lot. For architecture and stuff there is more than barrel distortion to deal with and tilt and shift can help fix buildings, wall, trees, etc. leaning away and back as they rise up and you can adjust focal plane in some case to get DOF to better fit the scene. Canon 17 T&S is ultra-wide, rectilinear with tricks.

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« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2012, 10:30:06 PM »
The 24 2.8 prime is no better than the zooms.

It has much less distortion than the 24mm-XXX zooms at 24mm.

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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2012, 01:03:43 AM »
Okay, I"m thrilled to have finally received my 5D MK III!  Coming from my 7D I have some of the longer focal lengths covered, 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II and the legendary 100-400mm L.  Most of my wider lenses are EF-s Lenses like my wonderful EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8...

I need some wider glass for my 5D III any suggestions?  I'm looking at 24-70 f/2.8, 24-105 f/4, or maybe primes like a 24mm or 35mm or 50mm f/1.4... any thoughts??   EF 85mm 1.8 is on my short list, but it's not really wide...

Thanks!!

24-70 2.8 II is good and will deliver the same edge to edge sharp pics on the 5D3 as your 17-55 2.8 IS did on the 7D.

The 24-105 cost a lot less and has IS but it won't be as crisp edge to edge as the 17-55 was (or even quite as sharp anywhere).

There is the upcoming 24-70 4 IS. Perhaps it would be most similar to your 17-55 in that you get the same degree of low DOF ability and IS. Hopefully it does better than the 24-105. The MTF suggest it will be similar to the 24-70 2.8 II at the long end although not quite as good on the short end although better at either end than the 24-105. It remains to be seen.

The 24 2.8 prime is no better than the zooms.

The 24 1.4 II is very good, although if you don't need the f/1.4-2 much then the 24-70 2.8 II pretty much covers it since it's a really good zoom (the 24-105 doesn't do as well as the 24 1.4 II even at f/6.3-f/11 for landscapes).

The new 24 2.8 IS might be decent enough.

The 24 T&S II is very good and lets you adjust all sorts of things that you can't with a regular lens, it is specialized though and Samyang is coming out with one soon for a fraction of the price, maybe that one will be good (their 14mm is crazy good other than TONS of distortion).

Zeiss 21mm 2.8 is very good.

17 T&S is good if you want fancy, specialized ultra-wide work.

A 35 1.4 or 50 1.4 is nice for some low DOF work and such. I've been wary of sigma in the past but their 35 1.4 is getting amazing reviews and apparently the AF isn't bad on it. The Canon 50 1.4 has dodgy AF, an ancient and unique AF design that also is prone to breaking but it performs well optically for a standard 50mm design (an exotic-type design might do better wide open though). I'd favor a 35 1.4 over a 50 1.4 on FF, I think, but it's up to you.

50mm definitely is not wide, 35mm is only starting to get wide.
Wow, that was a wealth of information!  Thank you!  I've decided to pretty much give up on the 24-105mm based on everyone's opinion/review of that lens.  I'll hold out for the 24-70 f/2.8 whenever I decide to go for a wider zoom for the 5d3. 

In the meantime, I'm checking out the local array of 24mm, 35mm, 17mm primes oh and a 50mm f/1.4 and 85mm f/1.8.  The 85mm will happen very quickly, based on the rave reviews I've read of it. 

I'm leaning strongly toward the 24mm prime for my first wide prime for the FF... I like the wide end of my 17-55mm on the 7d but sometimes wish it was 16.  So I think the 24mm will give me just a tad more within the frame on my 5d3 than the 17-55mm does on my 7D, which sounds perfect.  Now just to find a good deal!!  :P
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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2012, 01:10:54 AM »
Okay, I"m thrilled to have finally received my 5D MK III!  Coming from my 7D I have some of the longer focal lengths covered, 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II and the legendary 100-400mm L.  Most of my wider lenses are EF-s Lenses like my wonderful EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8...

I need some wider glass for my 5D III any suggestions?  I'm looking at 24-70 f/2.8, 24-105 f/4, or maybe primes like a 24mm or 35mm or 50mm f/1.4... any thoughts??   EF 85mm 1.8 is on my short list, but it's not really wide...

Thanks!!

24-70 2.8 II is good and will deliver the same edge to edge sharp pics on the 5D3 as your 17-55 2.8 IS did on the 7D.

The 24-105 cost a lot less and has IS but it won't be as crisp edge to edge as the 17-55 was (or even quite as sharp anywhere).

There is the upcoming 24-70 4 IS. Perhaps it would be most similar to your 17-55 in that you get the same degree of low DOF ability and IS. Hopefully it does better than the 24-105. The MTF suggest it will be similar to the 24-70 2.8 II at the long end although not quite as good on the short end although better at either end than the 24-105. It remains to be seen.

The 24 2.8 prime is no better than the zooms.

The 24 1.4 II is very good, although if you don't need the f/1.4-2 much then the 24-70 2.8 II pretty much covers it since it's a really good zoom (the 24-105 doesn't do as well as the 24 1.4 II even at f/6.3-f/11 for landscapes).

The new 24 2.8 IS might be decent enough.

The 24 T&S II is very good and lets you adjust all sorts of things that you can't with a regular lens, it is specialized though and Samyang is coming out with one soon for a fraction of the price, maybe that one will be good (their 14mm is crazy good other than TONS of distortion).

Zeiss 21mm 2.8 is very good.

17 T&S is good if you want fancy, specialized ultra-wide work.

A 35 1.4 or 50 1.4 is nice for some low DOF work and such. I've been wary of sigma in the past but their 35 1.4 is getting amazing reviews and apparently the AF isn't bad on it. The Canon 50 1.4 has dodgy AF, an ancient and unique AF design that also is prone to breaking but it performs well optically for a standard 50mm design (an exotic-type design might do better wide open though). I'd favor a 35 1.4 over a 50 1.4 on FF, I think, but it's up to you.

50mm definitely is not wide, 35mm is only starting to get wide.
Found 24mm 2.8 IS for $629
24mm 1.4 for $1140
28mm 1.8 for $449
Still looking... not sure if the 24mm f/1.4 is worth the difference over the f/2.8 version.  I'd be using it mostly for landscapes at f/8 - f/16 mostly... with the 5d3 good high iso performance, I tend to think the 2.8 would be sufficient.  Is my thought flawed?
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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2012, 01:27:00 AM »
No, for landscape f/1.4 is not needed and in fact, the 2.8 version would be just as sharp or sharper than the 24  f/1.4 prime at f/8 to f/11, especially in landscape photography.
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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2012, 03:53:14 AM »

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Still looking... not sure if the 24mm f/1.4 is worth the difference over the f/2.8 version.  I'd be using it mostly for landscapes at f/8 - f/16 mostly... with the 5d3 good high iso performance, I tend to think the 2.8 would be sufficient.  Is my thought flawed?

If you rely on f/8 - f/16 to get enough DOF an image stabilized lens might be the better choice for you - for interior photographs and landscape - the 24 IS might be the best suited lens for these applications. So your thoughts are absolutely not flawed IMO.

And don't forget the 40mm f/2.8 - it's a great lens. I use it very often on my 40D (64mm equiv) but use my old 24mm f/2.8 (38mm equiv) with great joy on my 40D - so the 40mm will be my "wide angle" on a FF camera if I buy one (for me, 100mm feels as a standard lens for landscape etc. ... to cut out the nice views out of the well populated and technisized landscapes in germany).
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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2012, 04:12:27 AM »
The 24-105L was given a bad rap, was it?  It occupies a very unique place in the Canon line...focal length range, image quality, IS, build.... All things considered it is a damn good lens.
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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2012, 06:22:01 AM »
In the meantime, I'm checking out the local array of 24mm, 35mm, 17mm primes oh and a 50mm f/1.4 and 85mm f/1.8.  The 85mm will happen very quickly, based on the rave reviews I've read of it. 

before you rush out and grab the 85mm f/1.8, take a look at reviews of the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 (photozone.de, lenstip, thedigitalpicture.com). Blows the canon f/1.8 away and gives the f/1.2 a run for its money.

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« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2012, 06:35:06 AM »
Found 24mm 2.8 IS for $629
24mm 1.4 for $1140
28mm 1.8 for $449
Still looking... not sure if the 24mm f/1.4 is worth the difference over the f/2.8 version.  I'd be using it mostly for landscapes at f/8 - f/16 mostly... with the 5d3 good high iso performance, I tend to think the 2.8 would be sufficient.  Is my thought flawed?

You'd basically be paying more for a combination of a fast aperture and wide angle, but you don't need a fast lens. So no need to spend extra for the f/1.4. Of your list, the 24mm f/2.8 is the best choice hands down.

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« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2013, 10:40:25 AM »
The tilt shifts sound intriguing, I imagine expensive too.  Seems like the majority feels like a wider zoom like the 24-105mm isn't a good idea.  If I'm going zoom I need to look at the 24-90MM, I'm thinking version 1 or version 2 would be fine. 

not sure what you mean, there's 24-70 and 24-105.

These are great general purpose zooms ... but maybe not the best choices as specialized landscape or RE photography lenses. These are more your "walkaround" lenses.

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Seems like primes are the most recommended lenses though. 

The issue is distortion. Zooms generally have heavy barrel distortion at the wide end, so if you're shooting at 24mm a lot, a lens that is 24-xx will give you a lot of barrel distortion whereas even an inexpensive prime (e.g. the 24mm f/2.8) will not. The new 24-70mm for example is sharper at 24mm than the 24mm f/2.8 prime but has much more distortion.

However, if you shoot with an ultra wide like the 17-40 or the 16-35, it's already well out of its widest by 20mm, so you should be able to shoot at 24mm without much trouble with distortion.

Tilts are great but expensive, about $2k for the wide angles (e.g. 17mm or 24mm)
"not sure what you mean, there's 24-70 and 24-105." Thanks Elf, I meant 24-70mm, typo...

I picked up a 24-105mm and I find it okay... just okay... even after MFA I'm okay with it... just okay... Picked up an 85mm f1.8 and love it, but not for landscape or real estate.  I think the 24-70mm would have been a better choice for me for a zoom, now however I think I'll look into selling the 24-105mm albeit brand new and look for another prime, as you and others suggested, likely a 24mm... That feels plenty wide for me for now... although the 16-35mm might work out nicely too...  :o  Just not in love with the 24-105mm. 
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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2013, 10:41:48 AM »
If budget is not an issue, the new 24-70 II is the way to go. On my copy, Reikan FoCal showed the sharpness at f2.8 is 985. Not many zoom lenses out there have this kind of sharpness at f2.8.

My comment is based on real life shooting.....let me know if you want to see some photos with 5D III.

Many owners of 24-105 claimed their copy is razor sharp, but the Canon MTF chart doesn't indicate that at all. Again...I owned 2 copies of 24-105 in the past and I didn't see that. I ended up shooting alot with 50mm f1.4 @ f1.8 to 2.8.
"Many owners of 24-105 claimed their copy is razor sharp, but the Canon MTF chart doesn't indicate that at all. Again...I owned 2 copies of 24-105 in the past and I didn't see that"  I agree with you on that Dylan!
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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
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« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2013, 10:26:08 PM »
Okay, I"m thrilled to have finally received my 5D MK III!  Coming from my 7D I have some of the longer focal lengths covered, 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II and the legendary 100-400mm L.  Most of my wider lenses are EF-s Lenses like my wonderful EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8...

I need some wider glass for my 5D III any suggestions?  I'm looking at 24-70 f/2.8, 24-105 f/4, or maybe primes like a 24mm or 35mm or 50mm f/1.4... any thoughts??   EF 85mm 1.8 is on my short list, but it's not really wide...

Thanks!!

I think folks are over-thinking this.  If you are looking for something wider than the 24 end of your 24-105, I suggest you rent a few lenses first before you buy.  I would start with a 17-40 f/4 and a 16-35 f/2.8.  Both of those will do well with your landscape photography.  I use the 17-40 myself.  It's great on my 5D3 and 7D.

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Re: Moving on from my 7D to 5D MK III 24-70mm, 24-105mm or prime
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2013, 11:36:34 PM »
I have 7d + 10-22, 18-135 & 24-70L II and last week I bought 5dm3 and im very happy. ihmo, 24-70L II or 24-105L is perfect combination for ur 5dm3. Dont worry about f/4 because 5dm3 high iso is great. (just imho)

For me, 24mm on FF is not wide enough, so im using my 7d+10-22mm for landscape. :).

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