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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2013, 11:03:57 AM »
Or...if you just have to try a high IQ lens, maybe get the pancake 40. Lots of folks with lots of L glass are saying great things about that lens and the posted shots seem to back up the talk. I've seen it for $149 on sale.
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2013, 11:03:57 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2013, 11:25:28 AM »
Or...if you just have to try a high IQ lens, maybe get the pancake 40. Lots of folks with lots of L glass are saying great things about that lens and the posted shots seem to back up the talk. I've seen it for $149 on sale.

+1 on this suggestion.  The main gripe about the EF 40mm lens has been stronger vignetting when wide open on a full frame camera but that "issue" is mostly alleviated by using a crop sensor camera.  Also, get the kit with the lens.  Really, give it a go and learn the equipment.  See if this is what you want to do and what areas of photography excite you.  See what images you can get out of the basic equipment before an upgrade to high end glass.  Only then can you do a comparison of images from basic and expensive glass with subject material that excites you and come to a correct conclusion if the expensive glass is worth it FOR YOU.

If you do not mind getting used equipment, the full frame recommendation of the 5D classic body is a good one as you can get them cheaper than a new Rebel body.

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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2013, 11:52:51 AM »
what about Canon EF 24-105mm f/4? my photographer friend recommended this for me.

Excellent lens, but for your purposes not the first choice. Depth of field on a crop won't IMO not shallow enough for portraits with this lens.

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2013, 12:37:15 AM »
promise, this should be my last question to you guys. EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS vs. 24-70mm f/4 L vs. Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS? Which one would you prefer to own between the 3 lenses, Although 17-55's build is probably the downfall against the other lenses.

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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2013, 03:55:39 AM »
I would recommend picking up a used 5D Mark II, full frame, for about $1200, then adding the new Tamron 24-70mm (around $1100) or the Canon 24-70mm version I, budget permitting.  If you're not going full frame, then the 60D or 7D with the 17-55mm f/2.8 or the other 24-70mm lenses mentioned above.... 
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2013, 03:58:38 AM »
Another recommendation would be to purchase Bryan Peterson's "Understand Exposure" and Michael Freeman's "The Photographer's Eye."
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2013, 04:03:44 AM »
Another recommendation would be to purchase Bryan Peterson's "Understand Exposure" and Michael Freeman's "The Photographer's Eye."

Agreed. The Peterson book was very useful to me.

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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM »
Canon 60D+Canon 24-105mm IS USM Lens, Memory, Backpack & More

Price: $1,555.21
What's in the package
Canon EOS 60D Body Only
Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Lens
8GB Professional SD Memory Card
SD Memory Card Reader
Professional Silver Aluminum 59" Tripod
Bower SCB800 Deluxe Digital SLR Bag - Large
318AF Digital Slave Flash For Use With Digital Or Film Cameras
Remote Switch F/Canon Digital SLR Pro Cameras (RS80)
Deluxe Lens Care & Maintenance Package (LCK-3S)
Flexible Mini Table Top Tripod
Universal Screen Protectors
Memory Card Wallet
Deluxe Fiber Cloth
CapKeeper
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Flash Fixers Image Recall Sofware - Recover Your Digital Images

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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2013, 06:09:38 PM »
Looks like a lot of stuff for a reasonable price. You should print this and take it into your local camera store and see if they can compete. What will they give you for $1555.21? As the 60D's screen folds into the back of the body, screen protectors are not needed. I tried them once on my 40D and took it off and threw it away.24-105 = 38.4-168 on a 1.6x crop factor Canon camera. 318 digital flash is $15.99 at Amazon.com.
If you price each item you may change your mind and disregard this deal. I think you would want a wider angle lens for scenery I keep looking at the Canon 10-20mm EFS lens, I have the EFS 17-85 4-5.6 IS USM lens and feel this is wide enough for me. I think you might be leaning towards the 60D over the T4i.

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-Rebel-T4i-vs-Canon_EOS_60D

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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2013, 07:19:21 PM »
promise, this should be my last question to you guys. EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS vs. 24-70mm f/4 L vs. Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS? Which one would you prefer to own between the 3 lenses, Although 17-55's build is probably the downfall against the other lenses.

I think the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS is the best choice for APS-C.  If you'll be doing any shooting indoors, you'll likely find that 24mm isn't wide enough.  The build of the 17-55mm is decent, a good match for the 60D.

For quite a while, I shot both the 17-55 and 24-105 on a 7D - the 24-105 was for inclement weather (the 7D has more weather sealing than the 60D), and it was ok outdoors, although not as good for outdoor portraits.  I used the 17-55 a lot more than the 24-105 on the 7D.   If you're getting something like the 10-22mm as well, and don't mind carrying both and switching often, the 24-105 can work. But on APS-C, the 17-55mm is a more versatile lens, IMO.  Plus, it delivers better IQ than either L-series 24-xx zoom on the same APS-C camera. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2013, 08:07:47 PM »
@Glennard
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So, I just want peoples opinion on what's smarter for point and shoot person to entry level photographer on what to purchase beforehand.

I implore you.  Don't get your head turned too much from this sensible starting point.

You don't need the fast zooms lenses or even the L lenses.  If you don't know the difference then you shouldn't be contemplating $$$'s or even $$$$'s of expend.   You really shouldn't.

The advice I gave you back at the very start was to go with the cheap kit option -which is actually very good- and see if you need anything more once you've got used to the camera and how things work. 

If you decide you want fast aperture lenses or L build quality down the line then great.  Don't let other folk go nuts with your chequebook.  See what fits you. 

There are a lot of folk on here with money to throw at their hobby, they'll tell you to buy a wimberley when a superclamp will work.

Take a deep breath.  Buy the basic kit.  See how you get on.  Canon aren't going out of business anytime soon, you'll be able to buy better stuff down the line, if you decide you need it.  And the basic kit lens is really pretty good at the things most folk need.

Count yourself lucky.  When most folk say they are buying a rebel some users try and upgrade you to a 1DX, you mentioned the 50 1.8.  Usually some user will chirp in with some comment on how anything less than the 1.2 isn't worth bothering about.

Buy the basic kit.  Come back in a couple of months.  By then you'll be able to say for yourself where you think you could augment or improve your kit.  If indeed you aren't actually delighted.
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2013, 04:48:55 PM »
Glennard you might find this of interest. It's a camera store that we all have heard of.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/732048-REG/Canon_4460B004_EOS_60D_DSLR_Camera.html

with the $250.00 left over you could pick up all the other gear in the list.
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2013, 04:48:55 PM »