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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #90 on: January 18, 2013, 11:16:34 PM »
Dude! That is one sweet setup you got there. I wouldn't sell at all. You're covered. But I like the idea someone already posted that you should get, maybe an EOS M, or the Fuji or Sony mini's for that easy to carry with you bits, but then you'd have that good kit to fall back on once it is appealing again, because it will be. :)
Downgrading to a 6D and selling your lenses will, in the long run, most likely only do you a loss.

Yeah I was playing with some pics around the house and just love the quality. What was I thinking? I am either going for another lens or a smaller sony nex 6 or rx100 for times when its not around. Also think I may get a 35mm f2 and a small bag for a more portable setup.
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #91 on: January 19, 2013, 12:23:57 AM »
Fuji x100s?  I'm toying with the idea myself. My current pocketable iPhone is great for what it is but it leaves something to be desired when compared to my 5diii. I'm thinking a x100s could satisfy the walk around itch I get mid lunch break every few weeks and wouldnt take up too much space in my gym bag.

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #92 on: January 19, 2013, 02:38:20 AM »
You might just find that this pocketable Fuji is way superior to your 5D MK3 in most respects except fast tracking AF ;)

I know I prefer my Fuji X cameras (X-Pro1 and XE-1) to my 5D MK3 with any L or Zeiss lens you care to nominate.
I've owned or tried most of them and they are soft and lackluster in comparison...

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #93 on: January 20, 2013, 06:43:23 AM »
You might just find that this pocketable Fuji is way superior to your 5D MK3 in most respects except fast tracking AF ;)

I know I prefer my Fuji X cameras (X-Pro1 and XE-1) to my 5D MK3 with any L or Zeiss lens you care to nominate.
I've owned or tried most of them and they are soft and lackluster in comparison...

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Fuji cameras are pretty - I have an X10 because it has decent image quality, is reasonably small, has a manual zoom, and looks cool.  Some of my friends have bought X10s too - simply because it looks stylish (they're not interested in taking photos with it - they have iPhones for that).  I've tried getting to the point where I can go out on a serious photo mission with nothing but my Fuji, but I always find myself wishing I had my 5D3 or 1V with me.  I'm just an SLR person really.  I like the responsiveness and the no-nonsense layout of the controls (especially on the 1V).  I've handled the XE-1 at my local camera shop and felt that it was still quite a large camera and I couldn't really see the point in buying one when I already have SLRs.  The XE-1 is well known for its sharpness though - it lacks an AA filter which contributes to this.  (I'm not sure how this affects its moirĂ© aliasing though - probably badly).

Today I had a play with an EOS 6D with the new Sigma 35mm f/1.4 lens attached.  The lens was gorgeous.  The 6D just felt like a x00 series EOS, but full-frame... Sturdy and trustworthy, no doubt, but overpriced for what it is.
5D Mark III, 40D, 1V.  Bunch of strobes, lenses and other bits.
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #94 on: January 20, 2013, 05:48:23 PM »
I have been reviewing some of my recent pics and wonder if I downgrade body, f4 lenses, smaller flash will it net me the same results. I will try to post some examples. This was handheld 1/60 and with Is would have been sharper.
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #95 on: January 20, 2013, 06:19:45 PM »
The only Canon camera you can downgrade to that wouldn't result in lower IQ would be a 6D. You would be giving up a few very nice features, gain a couple (GPS & WiFi), and reduce size.

As for lenses, the photo you just posted I assume was at f/2.8. If you get a 24-70/f4.0 you'll probably give up just a little bit of IQ (from the test I've seen so far, the 24-70/2.8II is the sharpest in it's class), but will get the ability to handhold in a couple of stops lower light with reasonable results.

All in all, stirckly speaking I don't think you can get better results over all by downgrading your equipment, but you can reduce the weight of the equipment you are carrying around and may be able to increase your handholding capabilities by up to 2-stops perhaps, but otherwise you'll be downgrading for the most part.

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #96 on: January 20, 2013, 07:04:40 PM »
The only Canon camera you can downgrade to that wouldn't result in lower IQ would be a 6D. You would be giving up a few very nice features, gain a couple (GPS & WiFi), and reduce size.

As for lenses, the photo you just posted I assume was at f/2.8. If you get a 24-70/f4.0 you'll probably give up just a little bit of IQ (from the test I've seen so far, the 24-70/2.8II is the sharpest in it's class), but will get the ability to handhold in a couple of stops lower light with reasonable results.

All in all, stirckly speaking I don't think you can get better results over all by downgrading your equipment, but you can reduce the weight of the equipment you are carrying around and may be able to increase your handholding capabilities by up to 2-stops perhaps, but otherwise you'll be downgrading for the most part.

Yeah just the weight and bulk of all the gear seems a bit much sometimes. Also i cannot stand the lack of IS. I will get another up that concerns the noise my camera produces at iso 5000. I thought this camera was supposed to be great at higher iso but anything above 3200 seems to loose to many fine details and has too much luminance noise for my tastes.
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #96 on: January 20, 2013, 07:04:40 PM »

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #97 on: January 20, 2013, 09:19:18 PM »
See this is the noise I am talking about. Iso 5000 1/125 f4
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2013, 09:25:53 PM »
See this is the noise I am talking about. Iso 5000 1/125 f4

he's playing the drums you can hardly expect it to not be noisy.... :P

but seriously Lightroom really works a treat on 5Dmk3 noise it can clean up iso 5000 so that the noise will be un-noticable in print
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2013, 10:12:38 PM »
See this is the noise I am talking about. Iso 5000 1/125 f4

he's playing the drums you can hardly expect it to not be noisy.... :P

but seriously Lightroom really works a treat on 5Dmk3 noise it can clean up iso 5000 so that the noise will be un-noticable in print

Yeah but maybe I am doing something wrong because as I slide over the luminance nr the pic loosesall its details. I know this is a wierd side step but would the 1d x be that much cleaner?
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #100 on: January 20, 2013, 11:25:16 PM »
Combination of luminance, color, and sharpness filters will fix that right up.  At 5000 you are going to have some noise but it should be random and not patterned.  Random noise is ok to the eye and when printed you dont even see it.  I rarely use higher that 3200 indoors except outside at night where I run it up as high as it needs to be.  I also us all F2.8 lenses or faster.  Doesn't sound like much but if it means ISO 5000 or 3200 it can make a BIG difference when it comes to noise.

See this is the noise I am talking about. Iso 5000 1/125 f4

he's playing the drums you can hardly expect it to not be noisy.... :P

but seriously Lightroom really works a treat on 5Dmk3 noise it can clean up iso 5000 so that the noise will be un-noticable in print

Yeah but maybe I am doing something wrong because as I slide over the luminance nr the pic loosesall its details. I know this is a wierd side step but would the 1d x be that much cleaner?

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #101 on: January 20, 2013, 11:33:05 PM »
Combination of luminance, color, and sharpness filters will fix that right up.  At 5000 you are going to have some noise but it should be random and not patterned.  Random noise is ok to the eye and when printed you dont even see it.  I rarely use higher that 3200 indoors except outside at night where I run it up as high as it needs to be.  I also us all F2.8 lenses or faster.  Doesn't sound like much but if it means ISO 5000 or 3200 it can make a BIG difference when it comes to noise.

See this is the noise I am talking about. Iso 5000 1/125 f4

he's playing the drums you can hardly expect it to not be noisy.... :P

but seriously Lightroom really works a treat on 5Dmk3 noise it can clean up iso 5000 so that the noise will be un-noticable in print

Yeah but maybe I am doing something wrong because as I slide over the luminance nr the pic loosesall its details. I know this is a wierd side step but would the 1d x be that much cleaner?

Yeah I agree 3200 would be better but i wanted more in focus than 2.8 would allow to get my son and the drums.
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« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2013, 10:09:26 AM »
So the 1dx would help.  At 6400 it should equal 3200 on the 5d3.  Understood that in low light to get any dof you sacrifice something, either noise or shutter speed.

Combination of luminance, color, and sharpness filters will fix that right up.  At 5000 you are going to have some noise but it should be random and not patterned.  Random noise is ok to the eye and when printed you dont even see it.  I rarely use higher that 3200 indoors except outside at night where I run it up as high as it needs to be.  I also us all F2.8 lenses or faster.  Doesn't sound like much but if it means ISO 5000 or 3200 it can make a BIG difference when it comes to noise.

See this is the noise I am talking about. Iso 5000 1/125 f4

he's playing the drums you can hardly expect it to not be noisy.... :P

but seriously Lightroom really works a treat on 5Dmk3 noise it can clean up iso 5000 so that the noise will be un-noticable in print

Yeah but maybe I am doing something wrong because as I slide over the luminance nr the pic loosesall its details. I know this is a wierd side step but would the 1d x be that much cleaner?

Yeah I agree 3200 would be better but i wanted more in focus than 2.8 would allow to get my son and the drums.

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2013, 10:09:26 AM »

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #103 on: January 23, 2013, 07:46:57 PM »
you need MORE toys, not less, lol.  a softbox on a stand would light up the subject better, allow you to reduce the ambient light level to make the subject pop.  perhaps add some bounce from the ceiling/walls or a reflector for extra interest;  use  the sunlight from the window as rim/hair light.  :D :D  hmm... a lightstand (voice activated or not), softbox, 2-3 speedlites, reflector-- that should add more fun than you could possibly stand. 

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #104 on: January 24, 2013, 11:03:12 PM »
you need MORE toys, not less, lol.  a softbox on a stand would light up the subject better, allow you to reduce the ambient light level to make the subject pop.  perhaps add some bounce from the ceiling/walls or a reflector for extra interest;  use  the sunlight from the window as rim/hair light.  :D :D  hmm... a lightstand (voice activated or not), softbox, 2-3 speedlites, reflector-- that should add more fun than you could possibly stand.

Do you have some examples of items I could get that would light up the room better?
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« Reply #104 on: January 24, 2013, 11:03:12 PM »