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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2013, 01:34:23 PM »
strobe lighting is a very broad topic, and for the record I am not a studio photographer -- I am a student of light because I do product photography and "family lighting" is of great interest to me.  depending on your budget and areas of interest there are a boatload of options, ranging from one speedlite to a whole raft of home studio lighting equipment.  The point is that even for family stuff I find that even a few efforts can turn a snap shot into a photo.  I'm not sure I understand your particular goals very well, but suspect you are investigating options and possibilities -- so I'm not claiming the below is necessarily the best option for you, just offering suggestions that I personally find to be good, and what came to my mind when I saw the picture you posted.

rather than write an epistle here let me offer an approach to learning about this particular area -- I highly recommend the two books by Syl Arena, which are available from Amazon (just search for Syl Arena).   you really need to start somewhere, and all I can say is that Syl's books will give you a lot of practical and specific guidance.   One of his books is "speedliters handbook"  -- probably the best place to start, imho.    BTW  THere are a lot of folks out there selling books, but too many of them have a tendancy to show of their work without telling you how they did it.  Not Syl he tells you how in a way that is both compelling and understandable. 

syl's blog is at pixsylated.com

the other thing you can do right away is start reading at strobist.com.  another excellent source of lighting info.  read through the lighting 101 article and poke around there -- David Hobby is another one of the leaders in small flash and lighting techniques.

In general  you'll discover the merits of moving your flash off camera, and modifying the light it produces.  I don't know if the following approach is of interest to you (it requires more gear and set up time), but here is one of many many possible suggestions.  Those that know this space will recognize that I'm endorsing Syl's choices of equipment:

put an Apollo Orb

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/820996-REG/Westcott_2336_Apollo_Orb_36_91_4.html

with one speedlite inside, on this Manfroto light stand

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0023RRPE2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

with this adapter

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ENW61I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

using this hot shoe extension cord

http://ocfgear.com/cords-for-canon-ettl/ettl-cord-extra-long/

You'll have a cord going from the hot shoe on the camera, running along the floor, up the light stand and into the Orb, where it will now impersonate the camera hot shoe (mount the speedlite there).  in this configuration the camera thinks that the flash is mounted on-camera, and even though the flash is now "hidden" inside the apollo Orb, you can control it from camera menu.  use full ETTL and HSS if needed.  Yay for Canon for allowing flash control from the camera.  big wahoo. 

yes there are many fun and compelling options to this that involve even more toys.  radio triggers are available to replace the cord for example.   more speedlites in the Orb, other speedlites in the room, hanging from the ceiling or whatever.   booms and arms to help position the Orb.  All Fun, but more $$ and more complexity.  For me, just getting the flash off camera and modified (with a softbox) will open up a great many possibilities and the best place to start. 

Anyway, with the light coming in from the window, you could put the Orb at camera left or right, close to the subject (just out of the frame).  that will produce nice soft light on the face, and the light from the window will strike the back of the head. 

if you don't want to deal with light stands or soft boxes, off-camera details, etc.  and you just want to light up the whole room, without concentrating light on one subject, you could probably do that with a single on-camera flash bounced off the ceiling.  Or add 2nd speedlite (slaved) sitting somewhere else pointed at a wall or the ceiling.

I happen to like the speedlite method of lighting for family stuff especially because you can take full advantage of high speed sync and ETTL metering.  The setup time is short, and the lights are small and portable.  in the controlled chaos of a family living room, these things are great benefit.  Yes there are a great many who turn off ETTL and go manual, and that is loads of fun too, but to start I just recommend moving the ETTL flash off camera into a box of some sort.  Then you can cogitate on whether you want more speedlites or if you want strobes that have to plug in, whatever,

btw -- an inexpensive option for speedlite compatible flashes is Yonguo.  they are getting good reviews now, particularly because they are very affordable.  the 568EX for example, is essentially a 580EX clone that can act as a slave (but not a master), respects ETTL and HSS -- and its $170!  at this price I can afford three, instead of getting one Canon.  yes, the new Canon radio system is awesome, but again its expensive.  If you already have one genuine article 580EX or 600 rt, then you just add the Yonguos to the mix.  thats what I'm fixing to do...
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2013, 01:34:23 PM »

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #106 on: January 25, 2013, 04:42:11 PM »
With lighting, I'd suggest starting with a Yongnuo 568EX speedlite (as suggested above), combined with the Yongnuo 622 trigger (if you can afford the Canon gear at 5x the price, by all means buy it).  Buy a lightweight stand with a cold shoe and an umbrella adapter on top, combine with an umbrella or softbox and BOOM!  Instant mini lighting setup for around US$350.  :)

I have a pair of studio strobes, but I'm mostly using the above speedlite approach at the moment (mostly for baby photography).
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #107 on: January 25, 2013, 11:24:59 PM »
Thanks for those suggestions. That sounds like a good idea to bring more light into the scene.I am going to pursue that. I will let you know how it pans out.
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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #108 on: January 26, 2013, 11:04:53 AM »
News flash check out the new yn560iii.

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #109 on: January 26, 2013, 11:51:33 AM »
News flash check out the new yn560iii.

Now I'm really wondering if it was smart to buy a 600rt - I won't be needing the larger af spread on the 6d :-\ ... though the 600rt sure is nice and has the 200mm reflector the price is ridiculous, the st-e3 controller doesn't have af assist and there still aren't any triggers.

http://www.lightingrumours.com/yongnuo-yn560-iii-flashgun-announced-with-built-in-2-4ghz-radio-3257

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #110 on: January 26, 2013, 02:22:43 PM »
now this was interesting, in another hobby I've downsized (reef aquarium) and don't regret it, but that was related to the operating costs and time needed for routine tasks which were a burden at the time that it was a good move. Money-wise, it's very difficult to get your investment back.

So your ordeal is that you already have this equipment. Operating cost won't change, so really it's just the burden related to handling. I'd say don't sell, get a smaller pocket camera if you just want to ease carrying around. There's some fantastic cameras nowadays that have extraordinary zooms from the top brands. These offer some of the same functions offered in dslr's. At the end of the day, your skill as a photographer is more useful than the equipment.

You have some fantastic equipment already, use it and enjoy.

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #111 on: January 27, 2013, 10:44:14 AM »
the chinese are starting to provide real and viable alternatives to the high priced canon flash.  one can seriously consider building as system with third party stuff.  sadly i expect canons next move will be some sort of digital key authorization preventing third party flashes and triggers from working in ttl for example

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« Reply #112 on: February 07, 2013, 03:08:19 AM »
Hey All,

New to the forums and just wanted to say that this thread was one of the most interesting threads that I've read in a long time!

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Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
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