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Re: SX50 outperforming 5DIII +100-400mm
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2013, 05:54:10 PM »
Thanks to Alan, Mt. Spokane, Don and others for all the picture comparisons!

I seldom need more reach than my 70-200mm on my 7D, but occasionally I wish I had a 600mm or 800mm for some distant wildlife.  Having a SX50 around will cover that infrequent need without having to spend $$$ for a long range tele lens I seldom use.  If I buy it as a gift for my wife, it will kill two birds with one stone!
 
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Re: SX50 outperforming 5DIII +100-400mm
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2013, 06:05:37 PM »
I went back to Huppins and they still do not have the SX50HS in stock.  The Panasonic FZ200 looks very good though.  It is only 25X (600mm equiv), but it has a f/2.8 lens at all focal lengths, and instantly focused in the store where the Canon wouldn't.
I looked at the Nikon offering, but it was really slow to startup, and would not autofocus at all in the store.  Too bad, as it has GPS.
 
I checked my employeers discounts, and see 40% off the Panasonic, which makes it way less than Amazon or any of the others.
 
I'm not sure I need 1200mm equiv, the f/2.8 on the panny is really nice.  IQ is supposedly a hair better, but not a deciding factor.
 
I'm still thinking about it, there is no big hurry.  I'll read some of the reviews.

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« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2013, 09:33:41 AM »
DxO rates the Canon sensor far superior to that of the FZ200. Remember, the lens of the SX50 has a true maximum focal length of 215mm and the apparent 1200mm focal length is just the result of a crop factor of 6. If the SX50 had an f/2.8 all the way along its zoom range, the lens would have to be the size of a 70-200 f/2.8!

What Canon has done with the SX50 has been to combine a really good high density sensor with what must be an excellent zoom lens whose sweet spot covers the small sensor. It's really like putting a 4-200mm lens on a 5DIII and cropping just the centre 1000x700 pixels. Just imagine what they could do with a new sensor on a 7D II.

I am now satisfied that the SX50 is a real bargain and it will be part of my travel kit.
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Re: SX50 outperforming 5DIII +100-400mm
« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2013, 10:56:12 AM »
DxO rates the Canon sensor far superior to that of the FZ200. Remember, the lens of the SX50 has a true maximum focal length of 215mm and the apparent 1200mm focal length is just the result of a crop factor of 6. If the SX50 had an f/2.8 all the way along its zoom range, the lens would have to be the size of a 70-200 f/2.8!

What Canon has done with the SX50 has been to combine a really good high density sensor with what must be an excellent zoom lens whose sweet spot covers the small sensor. It's really like putting a 4-200mm lens on a 5DIII and cropping just the centre 1000x700 pixels. Just imagine what they could do with a new sensor on a 7D II.

I am now satisfied that the SX50 is a real bargain and it will be part of my travel kit.

Thanks for the tip on the DXO tests, I'll check that out.
 
There is little doubt that its a trade off of focal length versus aperture.  I'm inclined to go with the Canon, but the DPR rating of 85 for the Panny verses 72 for the Canon caught my eye, so I'm investigating to see which is better for me.  I don't make decisions based on DXO or DPR's overall weighted numbers, because they are the result of some other person's values.  I do, however, look at the underlying data.
 
One of the features that Panasonic has that I liked, for example is the second zoom control on the left side of the camera.  This is really convenient for a lefty like me, zoom with the left hand while shutter button is under the right finger.  Tracking a object moving toward or away from me would be a benefit.
 
There are a ton of tradeoffs.
 
Having a slightly better sensor is nice, but its the lens plus sensor that counts.

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« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2013, 11:18:48 AM »
Who knows, I might sell my 100-400mmL :)

I have a 5diii, and I got the SX50 for birding and for my daughter. The superzoom is not DSLR class, BUT, it can reach with decent quality, objects I cannot otherwise without plonking serious cash in lenses for the 5diii.

While I remain impressed with it's reach, what got me was the DR..

Let me explain, I don't mean it has more DR than the 5diii, but that it almost seems to compress DR to fit the camera's abilities... meaning, on a sunny Day with harsh light (high contrast scene); the 5d3 will blow the highlights if I meter for the shadows, but the SX50 does nto seem to blow highlights especially in people shots.. I find this strangely amusing...

(granted in PP I could get the 5d3 image close to what the SX50 does without PP) but that is a separate issue. Right off the Camera, image of the SX50 have more viewable DR than the 5D3 or so it seems.

I am sure there is some Digic mishmashing going on...  but I wonder if this sensor has more DR or not.
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Re: SX50 outperforming 5DIII +100-400mm
« Reply #65 on: April 18, 2013, 11:51:58 AM »
A bit of optimal processing brings them even closer. For years the best sensors for noise per area were Canon P&S sensors, hard to believe I know, but if they had made a FF sensor using the P&S technology we'd have been using 200MP+ sensors with backlight performance for a while.
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« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2013, 12:03:23 PM »
A bit of optimal processing brings them even closer. For years the best sensors for noise per area were Canon P&S sensors, hard to believe I know, but if they had made a FF sensor using the P&S technology we'd have been using 200MP+ sensors with backlight performance for a while.

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« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2013, 01:23:38 PM »
A bit of optimal processing brings them even closer. For years the best sensors for noise per area were Canon P&S sensors, hard to believe I know, but if they had made a FF sensor using the P&S technology we'd have been using 200MP+ sensors with backlight performance for a while.

How did you tweak them? They look good.
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« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2013, 01:28:33 PM »
I just applied a little sharpening to the head and a little Gaussian blur to lose the noise in the background. Thought the forum sizing has lessened the effect a bit on your larger version it looks much better.

One area where PS is much better than Lightroom, is problem sharpening.

EDIT: I just downloaded the new full sized copy and it looks very crunchy, something strange has happened to the file. But you get the point, real world comparisons demand optimal exposure and processing to be an accurate guide to what we can get out of them.

Funnily enough I was in Best Buy yesterday and saw the SX50, it is tiny!
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« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2013, 07:11:26 PM »

Funnily enough I was in Best Buy yesterday and saw the SX50, it is tiny!
When compared to which point & Shoot?? ;)

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« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2013, 07:31:54 PM »

Funnily enough I was in Best Buy yesterday and saw the SX50, it is tiny!
When compared to which point & Shoot?? ;)
Compared to a 5D MkIII and a 1200mm lens!  :)
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« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2013, 07:54:32 PM »

Funnily enough I was in Best Buy yesterday and saw the SX50, it is tiny!
When compared to which point & Shoot?? ;)
Compared to a 5D MkIII and a 1200mm lens!  :)

Its tiny compared to the pile of cash needed to buy the Canon EF 1200mm lens!

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« Reply #72 on: April 18, 2013, 08:11:43 PM »
and today only, Future Shop, Canada, you can find this little gem, INSTORE ONLY special, for $350!
I almost bought one.

6D was $1700 and kitted w 25-105 for $2200 - I'll spam this in deals section ..

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« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2013, 12:50:33 PM »
SX50 at 215mm vs 5DIII at 200mm with 70-200mm f/4 L IS

The SX50 at an effective 1200mm is in reality using a true 215mm on a 12 Mp sensor with a crop factor of 6. So, out of interest I compared with the 5DIII equipped with the fabulous 70-200mm f/4 L IS set at f/5.6, which is about as sharp as you can get. Below, are shots of a laid back duck in my backyard, who obliging posed. A crop from the centre of the 5DIII uprezzed 3.3x compared with the full from the SX50 shows how good its backlit sensor is: the high pixel density gives much better resolution.
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« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2013, 02:58:12 PM »
AlanF, I went to Best Buy today to check this beast out, per your recommendation. Yes, it's much smaller/lighter than my 5D3 and even appreciably smaller than my T3i--but it's much larger than my S90 (my main travel/back-up camera). Since I'm looking to upgrade my 10MP S90 to the newer 12MP S110, I'm wondering how the S110's larger 1/1.7" sensor compares to the smaller 1/2.3" sensor found in the 12MP SX50. Do you have any feel for how one would perform relative to the other in low-light/high-noise environments? I love the idea of having a 50X zoom, but hate the thought of losing pocketability. These trade offs are inevitable, I know, but a definitively better sensor on one vs the other might make the decision easier. Thanks.
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