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Which second speedlight should I buy?
« on: January 10, 2013, 07:37:24 AM »
Hi,

I'm trying to work out which speedlight to buy. I currently own a 430EX II and use this with a Pocket Wizard Flex TT5 and Mini TT1 to use off camera but I now need to buy a second speedlight and maybe in a few months I'll buy a third.

My question is do I buy:
- the new 600EX-RT to future proof my setup. Obviously with the 430EX II I know that the radio functionality won't work but hopefully the next speedlight I'd buy would be another 600EX-RT so it would make the setup more flexible. I'd also sell the Flex/Mini as the 600 would be my new Master.
- another 430EX II...if I do this do I have to buy another Flex TT5 to make them both talk to each other? If I do then it seems pointless to take this option but let me know.
- a used 530EX-II and again sell the Flex/Mini.

Any comments/advice would be much appreciated!

Thanks
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Which second speedlight should I buy?
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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 07:46:50 AM »
How about sell your PWs and 430, then buy 2 600s. 

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 08:07:36 AM »
Yes this could work RC as well! Can I ask what exactly is the Speedlite ST-E3-RT? Ive seen this but I'm not sure exactly what it is used for if two 600's can talk to each other via radio?

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 08:24:53 AM »
Yes this could work RC as well! Can I ask what exactly is the Speedlite ST-E3-RT? Ive seen this but I'm not sure exactly what it is used for if two 600's can talk to each other via radio?

The ST-E3-RT is the new radio transmitter to fire an off-camera 600 via radio.  Its a cheaper way to add a master if you don't need an on camera flash.  Its real advantage IMO is its tiny size and weight compared to a 600 mounted in your hot shoe.  It has the exact same screen and menus as the 600.   The only negative is there is no AF assist beam.

I have the ST-ES-RT and absolutely love it.   That might be a better route, sell your old gear and get a 600 and the ST-E3-RT.

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2013, 08:34:13 AM »
Ah I see! So the only issue is I need more than one flash as I need to light interiors.

So if I had 2 x 600's and wanted them off camera I'd need the ST-E3-RT is that right?

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 08:38:03 AM »
Ah I see! So the only issue is I need more than one flash as I need to light interiors.

So if I had 2 x 600's and wanted them off camera I'd need the ST-E3-RT is that right?
Yes, or a 3rd 600 to act as master only by turning off its flash function. 

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 08:43:32 AM »
Oh and another option which would be cheaper is to connect a ETTL cord from your hot shoe to a 600 and make that 600 your master to trigger the 2nd 600. 

http://ocfgear.com/cords-for-canon-ettl/ettl-cord-extra-long/

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 08:45:15 AM »
Ah ok this sounds great. A little cheaper and then hopefully I could add the ST-E3-RT at a later date.

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 10:25:18 AM »
Yongnuo is the answer.

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 10:42:02 AM »
Yongnuo is the answer.

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I recently got a new YN560-II for 60 € (shipping included) - can there be any photography related equipment that provides more value for the money?

noble55

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 10:44:48 AM »
So this is a cheaper version of the 600? Is it compatible with Canon speedlights and will work with my 430EXii?

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 11:45:37 AM »
screw speedlights... sell them and get a nice strobe kit... Much MUCH more fuller and complete light... consistent output, battery packs available to take them on location...  much more control...  See the light... no pun intended  =)
Canon 5d III, Canon 24-105L, Canon 17-40L, Canon 70-200 F4L, Canon 100L 2.8, 430EX 2's and a lot of bumps along the road to get to where I am.

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 11:49:43 AM »
Yongnuo is the answer.

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I recently got a new YN560-II for 60 € (shipping included) - can there be any photography related equipment that provides more value for the money?

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 11:50:20 AM »
So this is a cheaper version of the 600? Is it compatible with Canon speedlights and will work with my 430EXii?

Currently, no one has reverse engineered the new Canon rt protocol so 3rd party flashes are optical remote only or completely different radio trigger systems with the added bulk.

- the new 600EX-RT to future proof my setup. Obviously with the 430EX II I know that the radio functionality won't work but hopefully the next speedlight I'd buy would be another 600EX-RT so it would make the setup more flexible. I'd also sell the Flex/Mini as the 600 would be my new Master.
- another 430EX II...if I do this do I have to buy another Flex TT5 to make them both talk to each other? If I do then it seems pointless to take this option but let me know.

Sometimes the optical link is annoying, but in 90% it works just fine for what I shoot so that I'm happy with my 600rt+430ex2 combination.

I wouldn't recommend buying a 2nd 430ex2 (with 3rd party triggers) if you need any of the "big" flash features: faster recycling time, more power (with diffuser, bounces), external power option, 200mm reflector (600rt), build-in reflector card, head can tilt a little  forward, much better on-flash menu, strobe function, fec bracketing

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 11:54:13 AM »
Thanks Marsu42. I do need quicker recycling times so a 600 would really help with this. So if I purchased a 600 can I use the PW TT1 on my camera (5DII) and the 430 has the PW TT5 and the 600 stands alone and the two f;ashes will work together well? Or would I need an ETTL wire from my camera to the 600?

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Re: Which second speedlight should I buy?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 11:54:13 AM »