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Need a camera body and standard zoom for ~$2700...

Canon EOS 6D with 24-105 f4L IS USM
36 (81.8%)
Canon EOS Rebel T4i with 24-70 f2.8L II USM
6 (13.6%)
Other (explain below)
2 (4.5%)

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Voting closed: April 14, 2013, 02:22:08 PM

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6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« on: January 14, 2013, 01:22:08 PM »
Say I have about $2700 to spend. Two things that are of the utmost and equal importance to me:

  • Having a full frame sensor with great high-ISO performance in a modern body
  • Having the sharpest, widest aperture standard zoom on the market

It seems I cannot get both without spending more money. If I must compromise, should I sacrifice the sensor or the glass? Discuss.

Note: I don't care that the 24-70 is not wide on the T4i, as I would eventually sell the crop body and move up to full frame anyway. Just assume that image quality and light transmission are the most important features of the lenses to me.
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6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« on: January 14, 2013, 01:22:08 PM »

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2013, 02:02:53 PM »
Discuss.

Yessir: The 24-70ii on crop is plain overkill since you don't use the outer glass areas, but pay for edge to edge sharpness and carry the weight. Plus 24mm*1.6 crop factor is not a standard zoom anymore. The only reason for the crop solution would be a plan to upgrade to ff in 1-2 years and being very short on money (camera bodies loose value fast, i.e. 5d3 $1000 in a year, but L lenses don't).

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2013, 02:08:23 PM »
Get a 5D2 and save the extra cash for the 24-70 II.

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2013, 02:16:36 PM »
I'd vote for the 6D + 24-105mm a hundred times of I could. The Full Frame world is an amazing thing.
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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2013, 02:38:59 PM »
Normally, I would go for the better glass over a body.  But, the 24-70 II is only a marginal upgrade over the 24-105 and the 6D is vastly better than the T4i.

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2013, 02:55:16 PM »
While it's typically good advice to go for glass over body, in this case, both lenses are "good glass" and the step up to full frame is huge in terms of image quality (the color rendition and noise are just so much better, glass aside).  Plus, the 24-105 is very versatile (long end similar reach as 70mm on crop and much wider at the wide end) so you have a flexible set-up and that is always a good way to start, unless you have very specific needs.
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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2013, 03:44:31 PM »
The only reason for the crop solution would be a plan to upgrade to ff in 1-2 years and being very short on money

That happens to be exactly my situation XD


The reason I decided to start this poll is that I used to own a 70-200 IS II, 5D2, 10-22, and T3i. I planned to use this setup professionally for low-light events after graduating with my bachelor's degree. However, I instead took a job offer (non-photography related) and for now will be shooting low-light events, on-location portraits, and products/food non-professionally. All of this would be for personal use and I will rarely be paid for the work, hence the reason I cannot spend $7000 on the ideal setup (5D3, 24-70 II, 70-200 II) right away.

I sold the 70-200/5D2 and 10-22/T3i and replaced them with a 6D and 85mm f1.8 (the extra money I saved went towards important, non-photography-related expenses). However, I simply wasn't impressed with the 85mm. Although a great focal length, I felt that sharpness, color, contrast, and aberration correction were inferior to the 70-200. I now realize that should not have been surprising, since the design of the 85mm is 20 years old and it's $1700 cheaper. But with everyone talking about how great primes are compared to zooms and whatnot I just expected a lot more from the 85mm. I returned the 85mm and the 6D body as well, planning to buy the 6D/24-105 kit instead. But now I'm worried that if the 85mm f1.8 wasn't impressive enough for me, neither will the 24-105...

Perhaps I'm just picky about glass. I know that the photographer makes the photo, not the gear. But knowing that my photos could be sharper or less distorted really annoys me. I've never shot the 24-105 -- I feel like the distortion would bother me, but maybe I'll be completely satisfied with it and my worries will have been for nothing. Or maybe I'd be perfectly okay being stuck with a Rebel for a year knowing I have the best glass available. I have speedlites to offset the high-ISO disadvantage. Of course, they'd also offset the f4 disadvantage too... I'm indecisive, aren't I?

So that's why I'm interested in hearing what you guys think about all this. ;D

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2013, 03:44:31 PM »

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2013, 04:25:17 PM »
Say I have about $2700 to spend. Two things that are of the utmost and equal importance to me:

  • Having a full frame sensor with great high-ISO performance in a modern body
  • Having the sharpest, widest aperture standard zoom on the market

It seems I cannot get both without spending more money. If I must compromise, should I sacrifice the sensor or the glass? Discuss.

Note: I don't care that the 24-70 is not wide on the T4i, as I would eventually sell the crop body and move up to full frame anyway. Just assume that image quality and light transmission are the most important features of the lenses to me.

I would go with 6D + 24-105 for now. Save $$$ until you ready, sell your 24-105 and get 24-70 f2.8 II
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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2013, 04:48:56 PM »
But knowing that my photos could be sharper or less distorted really annoys me.
Or maybe I'd be perfectly okay being stuck with a Rebel for a year knowing I have the best glass available.

You can fix distortions nicely with current software like LR and esp. dxo for complex distortions, and for sharpness, well, you know it depends on the final output size but I also feel that a shot should be sharp at 100% crop just for the sake of it.

If you're not going to sell your shots a rebel should be fine, I'm also still on 60d with the iso800+ iso problem.

I'm indecisive, aren't I?

I sympathize, because I know how hard it is to make up one's mind if top gear is out of reach for the time being. The one thing you should make up your mind about is if you really need the f2.8 of the 24-70, if not you're immediately saving €1000+ for other important non-"core" stuff like lighting accessories and filters. Btw - I'm also still undecided between 24-70 and 24-105 because of the immense price difference and IS.

The larger apertures imho are mostly for available light shooting and subject isolation if you want that, with flash support f4-f5.6 should be also just fine with the higher iso capability of the 6d.

Save $$$ until you ready, sell your 24-105 and get 24-70 f2.8 II

... or the 24-70/2.8IS when it's out :-)

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2013, 05:55:46 PM »
A key point you mentioned is the ability to shoot in low-light situations. The 6D does this beautifully. I recently bought it in the kit form with the 24-105L. (My previous DSLR was the t1i.) The t4i is rated ISO expandable to 25600, but the 6D does 25600 easily and with amazingly little grain. Your two criteria are: 1) Having a full frame sensor with great high-ISO performance in a modern body, and 2) Having the sharpest, widest aperture standard zoom on the market. I'll add your 3rd criteria for clarity and that is 3) within your budget contraint. The 6D fulfills the first criteria and the crop t4i does not. Given your budget constraint, the 24-105 is a match. So, while the 24-70 II may be a better lens, you can still meet your criteria within your budget constraint. Going the t4i route means ignoring your first criteria of the full frame censor. Finally, it is because you said you wanted to shoot in low-light that I would refrain from buying the 5dII.


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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2013, 05:57:46 PM »
Consider the 6D with a Tamron 28-75 2.8

Bought it originally for my 7D when I could not justify the cost of the 24-70, but enjoyed it a great deal. Fell in love with it again when I added the 5D2 to the mix. Sold it only because I had to provide a good general lens when I sold the 7D.

Its a great lens for 1/2 the price of a 24-105. Nice center, but you need to work with the vignette in post upto 4.0 if you're not into those types of images.

Tried the 24-105 a few times, and while a nice lens that gets results, it never really inspired me. I always felt that its a bit laking in character - almost brilliantly sterile. Great for a 1 lens setup.

As stated above, the 6D will give you much more joy than a rebel series body. No sence in spending $£€¥ on a compromise now if you're planning on going FF - it seems that your decision has been made. While I still really like my 600D, the 5D3 gets a 30:1 usage ratio based on meta data stats.

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2013, 06:03:03 PM »
Get the 6d and 24-105, the one stop between f2.8 and f4 is easily compensated for by higher usable ISO, and then you can just add some cheap primes for low low light, 50 1.4, 85 1.8, etc.

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2013, 06:04:47 PM »
Buy a 6D and pop a 50mm f1.4 on front, use for several weeks, buy a wider or more tele prime to suit your needs, use for a year, see if you have enough for a 24-70 - simples
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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2013, 06:32:38 PM »
Normally, I would go for the better glass over a body.  But, the 24-70 II is only a marginal upgrade over the 24-105 and the 6D is vastly better than the T4i.

Have owned both and the 24-70mm ii is absolutely not merely a marginal upgrade over the 24-105mm L. The 24-105 is a great, versatile lens. The 24-70 ii is stunningly good.
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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2013, 07:01:26 PM »
How would you feel about finding a good deal on a used 5DII and still get the 24-70 II ?  It's still over your budget, but not too much.  That would be a great compromise, and you could later upgrade the camera if you cared to.  Pictures should be tack sharp, image quality should be close to a 6D...

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Re: 6D + 24-105 vs T4i + 24-70 II
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