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How do YOU set your white balance for video with the 5D3?
« on: January 15, 2013, 01:55:49 PM »
Hi Folks,

What methods do ya'll use to set the correct white balance for shooting video with your Canon 5D3?

External light meter? You can instictively know what Kelvin temp a room is? AutoWB?

Thanks in advance,

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How do YOU set your white balance for video with the 5D3?
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Re: How do YOU set your white balance for video with the 5D3?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2013, 09:26:21 AM »
Manual kelvins, always. I usually know beforehand in what range of kelvins I would be standing on, but its hard to actually put your finger on it. Why? Because if you're lighting all up with tungsten lights (3200 kelvin), even if you have a preset for it, some light bulbs may be worn out, which will give you a warmer tint. If the voltage is not steady, or steady but not on the mark (220v or 110v depending on you country), the lights will have a warmer tint as the voltage drops. Happens a lot when working with generators. If you have a dimmer on a light, as you dim it, it also changes the color temperature slightly.

As for CFLs (3200/4000/5600, there are a lot of options), you have to consider that the white color is actually painted. The tube/bulb is kinda like thouse black/violet lights from discos. So different manufacturers, different batchs, different dim levels, equates to different color temperatures.

Regarding daylight (5600 as a standard), color temperature changes all the time. Sunset/sunrise is a lot warmer, cloudy days are a lot cooler, etc.

So, going back to the beginning, knowing all of this can give you an approximate idea of what is the color temperature of your situation. BUT, there is another factor: the camera. No camera sees everything the same as the next, even if we are talking about two Canon 7Ds that were manufactured one after the other. It never happens (color grading in post is very important). And if you put "5600" in the camera, maybe the software wasn't calibrated perfectly and you'll have to set it to 5800. It happens.

The best thing you can do, is play with manual kelvins and learn from it. All the time. In every situation you're on, try to see what changing the WB does to the image, and draw your own conclusions from that. White balance can be just a setting, or it can become a tool.

Hope it helps!
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Re: How do YOU set your white balance for video with the 5D3?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2013, 10:33:29 AM »
Manual kelvins, always. I usually know beforehand in what range of kelvins I would be standing on, but its hard to actually put your finger on it. Why? Because if you're lighting all up with tungsten lights (3200 kelvin), even if you have a preset for it, some light bulbs may be worn out, which will give you a warmer tint. If the voltage is not steady, or steady but not on the mark (220v or 110v depending on you country), the lights will have a warmer tint as the voltage drops. Happens a lot when working with generators. If you have a dimmer on a light, as you dim it, it also changes the color temperature slightly.

As for CFLs (3200/4000/5600, there are a lot of options), you have to consider that the white color is actually painted. The tube/bulb is kinda like thouse black/violet lights from discos. So different manufacturers, different batchs, different dim levels, equates to different color temperatures.

Regarding daylight (5600 as a standard), color temperature changes all the time. Sunset/sunrise is a lot warmer, cloudy days are a lot cooler, etc.

So, going back to the beginning, knowing all of this can give you an approximate idea of what is the color temperature of your situation. BUT, there is another factor: the camera. No camera sees everything the same as the next, even if we are talking about two Canon 7Ds that were manufactured one after the other. It never happens (color grading in post is very important). And if you put "5600" in the camera, maybe the software wasn't calibrated perfectly and you'll have to set it to 5800. It happens.

The best thing you can do, is play with manual kelvins and learn from it. All the time. In every situation you're on, try to see what changing the WB does to the image, and draw your own conclusions from that. White balance can be just a setting, or it can become a tool.

Hope it helps!
Cheers

Thanks.

Well, I was hoping there was a simple tool for this.

I've been researching, and found the term 'color meter'...and I found a few.

But the d@mned things were like $1200+...ouch!!  I'm wondering why those meters are so much more $$ than the light 'intensity' meters for flash and such?

Well, I did get one of those Expodisc things from ExpoImaging...that you put over your lens, take an properly exposed pic....and you use that for your Custom White Balance in the camera. This disc apparently sets things to perfect 18% grey I think it is.

That is nice, but is an extra step I have to do between each take moving the camera around.

I was hoping for a simple meter I could whip out..click and see the basic average color temperature in K.

Thanks!! I guess i"ll have to develop that intuition thing better...
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Re: How do YOU set your white balance for video with the 5D3?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2013, 04:00:28 PM »
Its not really that hard. Just know the basics. Daylight is close to 5600, tungsten close to 3200.

Either use the presets (cloudy sunny tungsten fluorescent), or use manual kelvins and approach the number, while watching the LCD for the color you like.

The expoimage thingy is useless and yes, adds another step to it and more "gear" to carry.


EDIT: Also color meters won't help you. It is a tool for the more advanced, for detail specialists/freaks, kinda like a spot meter. Don't worry about it.
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Re: How do YOU set your white balance for video with the 5D3?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2013, 07:03:16 PM »
You kinda just go based on what kind of lights you're using.  If you're using daylight balanced lights, go 5200k to 5500k.  If you're using tungsten, go 3200K.  Last shoot I did was a mix of Tungsten and Daylight and 4600K seemed just right.  really it's not that hard to eyeball, if it looks too warm, lower the temperature, if it's too cool, raise it.  It's not that complicated at all, it's just one of those things that seems complicated until you get used to it.  Trial and error will show you the way.
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