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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2013, 09:01:49 AM »
The 70-200II is not better than the 135L for IQ at any aperture.

True...but nor is it worse (Klaus at PZ gives slightly higher numbers to the 70-200 II across the frame at most apertures, although probably not real-world relevant).  That being the case, from an optical standpoint the only benefit to the prime is that it's one stop faster.  That can be very important in some situations, but the zoom certainly wins on versatility with no sacrifice of IQ.
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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2013, 09:43:40 AM »
The 70-200II is not better than the 135L for IQ at any aperture.

True...but nor is it worse (Klaus at PZ gives slightly higher numbers to the 70-200 II across the frame at most apertures, although probably not real-world relevant).  That being the case, from an optical standpoint the only benefit to the prime is that it's one stop faster.  That can be very important in some situations, but the zoom certainly wins on versatility with no sacrifice of IQ.

It has slightly less vignette @ 2.8 but that's about it. Neither are terrible lenses but to claim either is vastly superior in IQ is nonsense.

The prime certainly wins on speed, weight, bulk, price, and stealth. If only it was a bit faster and had IS.  ;)

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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2013, 11:11:32 AM »

Without reading the review, just give me this lens and 24-70 f2.8 II on FF...........I'm done :-X

No need to carry: 24L, 35L, 50L, 85L, 135L, and 200L
Do you care about IQ?
70-200 II is not able to replace 85/135/200Ls in many situations...

I wouldn't spend my money on 24-70 f2.8 II & 70-200 f2.8 IS II, if IQ is not important in photography.
Thus you are lucky man not seeing the difference of 85,135,200 vs 70-200 - all @ 2.8 and your bag can be pretty light.
But I can clearly see that zoom @ F3.5-4+ can match (contrast + sharpness) the prime @ F2.8, but @ F3.5-4 there is less subject/background separation, thus If I want best IQ, I take only 24-70 II + longer primes.
(BTW: 24-70 II is nothing special till F3.5-4 too.)
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« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2013, 12:56:11 PM »
I'm sold. I hated the 24-70 for being a brick but I think I'll forgive this tank.

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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2013, 09:07:18 PM »

It has slightly less vignette @ 2.8 but that's about it. Neither are terrible lenses but to claim either is vastly superior in IQ is nonsense.

The prime certainly wins on speed, weight, bulk, price, and stealth. If only it was a bit faster and had IS.  ;)

I suspect this prime is likely to have more consistently smoother bokeh and less CA than the battleship zoom.  For that alone it's worth at least half the cost of the zoom.

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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2013, 01:10:42 AM »
The big problem with the 135L is that it doesn't focus as quickly for indoor sports than the 70-200L.  The keeper rate is much lower vs. the zoom.  However, sometimes you need the extra stop of light, which I have needed at times.  But certainly not my #1 indoor sports lens.  I use the zoom for that.
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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2013, 04:33:24 AM »
Good reply and links - however as we all know the IQ of different copies varies and in real world tests I most definitely found the with the 70-200 I have and the 135 I had the zoom definitely outperformed the 135. No question. In fact the 135 wide open was downright dissappointing (for the 135)
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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2013, 10:26:06 AM »
I got my 70-200 (bought used) the other day, and I'm really dissapointed. I have had this lens before and it was epic from start to finish, but this copy is nothing that compares to sharp. It is Reikan Focal adjusted to -8 at 200mm and -1 at 70mm, but even with LV it isn't sharp at 200mm. Does anyone else see or have seen this? Is it just my first copy that was insanely sharp or is this a dud? The first one I had I couldn't say it was less sharp than my 300mm f2.8 L IS (mk1) but this is worse than my 70-200 non-IS.



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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2013, 10:51:04 AM »
@ Viggo - Unfortunately, it seems you may have gotten a dud. You say you bought this copy used, I wonder if the seller fully disclosed the motive behind sale?
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« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2013, 10:58:56 AM »
@ Viggo - Unfortunately, it seems you may have gotten a dud. You say you bought this copy used, I wonder if the seller fully disclosed the motive behind sale?

Thanks! That is really what I wanted to hear also. I remember this lens as an absolute killer, but both CA and contrast and sharpness is only good at 70mm and useless at 200mm, so I rather it be a dud than me remeber too great things about it.

I've asked him if he would take it back, awaiting reply. But yeah, even though it looked as new, it must be a reason he sold it... I´ve never gotten a bad copy, at least not to this extent before, bummer...
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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2013, 09:46:09 PM »
@ Viggo - Unfortunately, it seems you may have gotten a dud. You say you bought this copy used, I wonder if the seller fully disclosed the motive behind sale?

Thanks! That is really what I wanted to hear also. I remember this lens as an absolute killer, but both CA and contrast and sharpness is only good at 70mm and useless at 200mm, so I rather it be a dud than me remeber too great things about it.

I've asked him if he would take it back, awaiting reply. But yeah, even though it looked as new, it must be a reason he sold it... I´ve never gotten a bad copy, at least not to this extent before, bummer...

Often, if a lens is dropped or damaged, image quality issues will be most obvious at the focal length extremes.  I badly dropped my 17-40 once - and while it's not known as a sharp lens - 40mm was nearly unusable until I sent it back to Canon for a fix-up... which, if you can't get the seller to take it back, may be your only other alternative.

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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2013, 10:00:55 PM »
how is the lens if you turn off the AFMA and just see how it is on 0?
any strange noises when focusing?
tried it with IS off too, if it has had a drop the IS could be a problem too
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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2013, 02:47:31 AM »
Yeah, tried it first at 0 and it's sometimes a tiny high pitched squeak from the AF. Like it needs lube. IS on or off does not affect this. There's absolutely no sign of it being dropped, but that doesn't rule it out.

Thanks for the replies! Not quite sure what to so at this point, the seller wouldn't return it as he had already spent the money on a prostitute or some cr@p...
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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
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« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2013, 03:40:19 PM »
This exact thing happened to a colleague. 70-200 F4 IS over Fleabay.
$500 later at a lens repair place it's good as gold. Overall he ended up about $50 better off than retail. Silence, shrugs from the seller.


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Re: Review - Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2013, 07:47:36 PM »
@ Viggo - Unfortunately, it seems you may have gotten a dud. You say you bought this copy used, I wonder if the seller fully disclosed the motive behind sale?

Thanks! That is really what I wanted to hear also. I remember this lens as an absolute killer, but both CA and contrast and sharpness is only good at 70mm and useless at 200mm, so I rather it be a dud than me remeber too great things about it.

I've asked him if he would take it back, awaiting reply. But yeah, even though it looked as new, it must be a reason he sold it... I´ve never gotten a bad copy, at least not to this extent before, bummer...

@ Viggo - this is #1 reason I stop buying used lens on CL. SORRY to hear that...I doubt he would take it back. :(
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