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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2013, 07:29:24 AM »
from aaronh: "I was thinking of selling the 70-200, 5D2, and 24-105 and getting a 5D3, 85 1.8, and 135. BTW, I also have a 35 1.4 and a 50 1.8."

First of all this is a quality thread. I don't read many forums but this thread has a lot of helpful comments. Anyway, what I've seen of the 5D3 is very sharp by many users. So I'm saying I'd consider which lenses I'd use w/ that model.

from aaronh: "I'm doing quite a bit of traveling this year and hate to lose telephoto but also am wary of lugging around a big white lens (I'm going to Africa, China, and potentially SE Asia)." "I do a fair amount of portrait work and some weddings."


I'm guessing u won't do wedding shots on your travel but perhaps street photo shooting. Having giving thought to the 135 v 85 in the past and from the experience of others the 85 is the preferred portrait lens for pros. Your mileage may vary. But I know u r aware of that. I'm surprised to hear so many voices say it's slow. And since I don't have actual experience w/ either I'd adjust the choice to think the 85L. But that's not too helpful. If I were u la de da I'd choose the focal length and forget the nuances based on their equally good reps. As long as I said I was stepping into your shoes I would find it hard to travel without at least one good telezoom. But u seem to have made up your mind. Most of the shots I've seen of Africa include animals and I can't imagine trying to get up close and personal with a beast with a 35 prime and expect much. But that's just me. U may not be interested in animals but rather landscape and so forth.

5D3 a magnificent choice. plus 85L . Keep the 35 and the telezoom. Drop the 50, 5D2 and 24-105. You don't have to bring the 70-200 but I don't believe in painting w/ a broad stroke when I'm thinking detail.

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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2013, 07:29:24 AM »

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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2013, 08:05:46 AM »
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Already have the 70-200 f/4 (non IS) which I bought a couple of years back and have been happy with it.

It was such a tough decision to choose between the 135L and upgrading the 70-200 f/4 to the 70-200 f/2.8 II. These posts make me feel right and wrong about my decision all at the same time.

I may eventually buy the 2.8 but have will probably keep the f/4 non-IS for it has great IQ, is smaller and considerably lightweight and most importantly, not expected to fetch much!

You will not regret once you get your new 135/2L. It's sharper than your gorgeous 70-200/4L and it has f2. Now you have two light lenses, one versatile and one for fast (indoor) action/background separation. Both of your lenses have extremely nice price/quality ratio. You just saved 1000$ when you chose 135/2L over 70-200/2.8L IS USM II. If you won't be satisfied you can always sell both of those lenses very fast.

If you are satisfied, with that 1000$ you can get something else :)

Thanks ... the lens got delivered today (a day earlier than expected). The lens seems pretty impressive (to me at least) - not that my wife will notice ... she's not into equipment much and it looks more or less like the 24-105 in appearance. She would have probably whacked me in the head with the 70-200 had I got another "white-lens" for a "hobby"  ;D.

Can't wait to take some shots! 
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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2013, 09:10:59 AM »
I have the 85L ii and 70-200 2.8L is ii. I loved the 85L from the moment I took the first photo with it, then it was teamed with the 5D classic, now on the 5Diii, I love it even more!! The 70-200 2.8L is ii  I use for outdoor portraits, I love it too, it's definitely more versatile than the 85Lii.

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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2013, 10:07:47 AM »
I also own all three and I can tell you that I would certainly have sellers remorse if I had gotten rid of my 85L.  I didn't use it much when I got it because my 1Ds3 had a terrible time with accurate focus with that lens (and others).  My 1D4 was okay with the 85L but no wow factor.  But now I have the 1DX and the 85L is a whole new lens.  Focus is finally very accurate and that lens can now deliver WOW images.  I am so glad I did not sell the 85L.

Like other said, the 135L is used when I need to melt backgrounds and want a lighter lens than the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II.  I always have my 70-200 with me but I usually will use the 200 f/2 or the 135 or the 85L first.  But if I am unsure of what to expect or have subjects with erratic movements then the 70-200 is used.

I can't see selling any of the three since I use them for different purposes but I can definitely say that the 85L is much better on the 1DX (and will probably be for a 5D3 user).

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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2013, 10:33:34 AM »
Just my .02 but I would not sell the 70-200mm f/2.8L II IS to get other lenses.
You can always have all three like many people have stated.
I "only" have the zoom now but plan on getting the 85 f/1.2L II as my next lens.  Having zooms and primes gives you a whole lot of options and there is nothing wrong with having them all.
No justification needed, if you want them, get them, and use them when you want the characteristics of each.
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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2013, 11:03:24 AM »
There is no way 70-200 II at 135@2.8 = IQ of 135/2@2.8.
I own both (+85/1.4, 200/2) and all those primes render better contrast and sharpness across the frame...

Actually, the 135mm f2 @f2 (wide open) carries simular sharpness, contrast and colour to the 70-200mm f2.8 L IS II when shot in the 135-200mm @ f2.8. It's surprising but true. The prime flares more but has slightly less fussy bokeh wide open, but the 135L when stopped down to f2.8 the 135L renders worse. The non rounded aperture blades are pretty obvious where as the zoom stopped down a stop or two looks nicer.

It's easy to split hairs when trying to see which is sharper. For my lenses, there is little difference between them. Yours might be different.

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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2013, 12:39:56 PM »
There is no way 70-200 II at 135@2.8 = IQ of 135/2@2.8.
I own both (+85/1.4, 200/2) and all those primes render better contrast and sharpness across the frame...

Actually, the 135mm f2 @f2 (wide open) carries simular sharpness, contrast and colour to the 70-200mm f2.8 L IS II when shot in the 135-200mm @ f2.8. It's surprising but true. The prime flares more but has slightly less fussy bokeh wide open, but the 135L when stopped down to f2.8 the 135L renders worse. The non rounded aperture blades are pretty obvious where as the zoom stopped down a stop or two looks nicer.

It's easy to split hairs when trying to see which is sharper. For my lenses, there is little difference between them. Yours might be different.
It is not much surprising that that both wide open are similar...
But I need to use F3.5 - 4 on 70-200 II to get the same IQ as 135 @ 2.8. (BTW: The same apply to the 300/2.8 IS I.)
Problem with flare + yellow cast on 135 I have only in direct sun light in the frame or near the frame.
Bokeh: it is hard to tell, but I did not notice any problem with 135/2.8+ vs 70-200/3.5+

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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2013, 12:39:56 PM »

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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2013, 02:04:15 PM »
Life is just not worth living without the EF70-200 2.8L II. I never used the EF851.2L anymore after I bought the zoom so I sold it.
The only reason I'll ever get rid of the EF135 2.0L is to get the version II.
The version II lenses are worth every penny. I'll have mine until the gears and glass fall out of 'em some day especially since the sensors down the road will practically require the newer technology.

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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2013, 04:44:45 PM »
I own the 85 f/1.2, 135mm f/2 and 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II, but I rarely use any of them. I normally take my trusty 100mm f/2.8 L IS instead. It has the

  • IS and weather-sealing of the 70-200
  • Light weight and stealthiness of the 135
  • Creamy smooth bokeh of the 85 (albeit with less "blur potential" :) )
  • I heard it can do macro, too!

However, I'm still keeping the other three. They're all too good in their own right :)
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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2013, 02:03:52 AM »
It depends on your style, I have the 135L and it's right at the end of my range.  I found that I didn't shoot much at the 135+ range.  The 135 is magical and it's cheap and light.  One of my favorite lenses to shoot with.

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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2013, 03:56:19 AM »
I've had them all several times, and it comes down to one thing, what you shoot.

For when my kids were tiny and just layed there the 85 is true MAGIC, nothing comes close. But then they start to move a little bit and the slow 85-AF makes you want to throw it to the wall.

The 135 is creeamy and sharp even wide open, discreet and light. But for me I found that when I was in a situation where it wasn't too long, it was just to short.

The 70-200 have almost everything, blistering AF, with crazy accuracy, the HIGHLY useful (fullframe) focal length and fantastic IQ. The downsides is that it is a beast, heavy and long and forget discreet. But for me that haven't used zooms for years and years, I see now that I crop A LOT because I can't change focal. The 70-200 isn't as long and useless as one might think, it's actually a great indoor focal length for kids ( as they aren't 180cm).

If I could have whatever I want in the lens world, I would absolutely keep the 85 also, the 135 I find is in between what I want, always, so not for me. and the 70-200 is, now once again, a given and most used lens.
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Re: 135L vs 85L vs 70-200L II
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2013, 03:56:19 AM »