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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2013, 12:35:32 PM »
I don't really focus on specific types of photography, I shoot whatever I find interesting or makes me happy. As for using 15-35mm a lot when shooting with a 15-85, it's because it only goes to 15mm on the wide end. There are many times I find myself wishing I had a lens that was wider than 24mm, but I'm not exactly sure how often I'll go that wide because I just make due with what I have. I think the 15-85 is a fine lens, and infinitely useful as a travel lens aside from its slower speed. One thing that irked me was the silver ring... which I recently found to be a sticker and had begun peeling off on my lens. I also used to use 70-200 as a walk around lens on my 7D. I love the shots I get and I find it more satisfying to use than the 15-85, albeit I've changed my walk around lens to the voigtlander 40mm f2 because its just so compact and still quite versatile on the 7D despite it being a short tele when used with an APSC. However its not the best lens to have around in many cases, especially in low light. Even with focus confirmation I often have to use live view to make sure my shots are in focus when shooting wide open. Therefore I use it when I can take my time to manually focus and get clear shots.

When the light is bad, I tend to shoot wide open with the 15-85, but in low light situations 15-85 just doesn't cut it as the increased ISO on the 7D really causes the picture quality to drop(I can still accept 1600ISO... albeit a bit grudgingly, and above that I would start balking). I've contemplated on just getting new glass, but the 17-55 f2.8 doesn't really appeal to me that much, and the L series lenses works better with FF in most cases. I probably could get a prime or two, but I'd prefer more versatility with a zoom lens. Thus the reason I'm considering the 5DIII with either the 16-35L or Tamron 24-70. I didn't consider the 24-105 as I'd rather have a faster lens for times when I do need the larger aperture settings, instead of lamenting like I do with the 15-85 at f5.6 when zoomed to 85mm lol.

I have telephoto covered with the 70-200 f4L IS and is thus the reason I thought of forgoing a general purpose zoom for the 16-35mm.

Reinzphotoz I'm basically in a similar predicament as you were, but the wider-than-24mm focal length of the 16-35 appeals to me as much as the versatility of the 24-70, and thus my dilemma with choosing a lens. Let me know what you think of the Tamron 24-70 VC once you get it ;-)

I have enough dough to buy the 5DIII, so I probably won't think about getting the 6D since the AF system of the 5DIII interests me the most. I'll most likely also sell the 7D to help fund the purchase, since I really don't have a need for two cameras and would probably see the 7D grounded. I think it'd be better to let someone else use and enjoy the 7D as I did for the past 2 or so years. I'm still considering as of now, and am holding off to see whether the 5DIII price will drop a bit more where I live (currently at 2730 USD if converted with today's currency rates)

P.S. it's not that I don't want to spend the money, it's more like trying to find the best possible solution to my dilemma and not really wanting to part with my 7D that much  ::)
As for the 6D... I like the 5DIII better(much better)~ enough said :P
P.P.S. I'm fully aware that the 16-35mm on FF isn't equal to the 15-35mm on APSC, it's just that I was considering trading off the 35~50mm range for 16~24mm ultra-wide angle.  ;D
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2013, 12:35:32 PM »

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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2013, 01:00:55 PM »
Makes sense.  And I usually assume someone interested in a 5dmkii knows about the crop factor issue, but since it wasn't mentioned...  Personally, I'm quite fond of primes... and I know they aren't as flexible, but I'm blown away by the results more often than I'm blown away by the zooms I've owned (18-55mm IS, 70-300, 75-300, 55-250, 70-200mm (f/4L and f/2.8L USM) and even the 24-105 I have.
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2013, 02:22:13 PM »
When you are looking at prices for the 5D3 body check out the Kit price with the 24-105. Recently one of the big name stores was selling the kit for about $550 more than the body only. At that price I would consider adding the 24-105 to fill between the 16-40 and your 70-200.
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2013, 02:29:18 PM »
... recently I've found myself cringing at the images taken using the 7D+15-85 combo in low light when it is necessary to bump the ISO up to 3200/4000.

You're using a really low quality lens.

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I don't know that I've ever heard anyone describe the 15-85mm as a 'really low quality' lens.  In fact, it's an excellent lens.  A fast prime lets in more light, allowing lower ISO - but the tradeoff is shallow DoF, maybe too shallow for the image required.
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2013, 02:32:39 PM »
I've found two lenses that appeal to me a great deal (three lenses if I include the 24-70 f2.8LII).
The Canon 16-35mm f2.8L II and Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC

I know these two lenses aren't in the same class as to warrant a comparison, but when using the 15-85, many a times I found myself shooting from 15-35mm and then from 70-85mm, with less pictures taken with the focal length in between. Thus I thought that I would probably enjoy the ultra-wide angle of the 16-35mm at the expense of the versatility of the 24-70mm. However, it is also hard giving up on the Vibration Compensation of the Tamron lens as it often times proves useful in situations with lower shutter speeds. The 24-70mm f2.8LII is an awesome lens with a not so awesome price tag, not to mention it doesn't have IS so I'm willing to ponder a bit more whether I would like one.

I also own a Canon 70-200mm f4L IS and a Voigtlander Ultron 40mm F2 SLIIN, so my short telephoto range is covered and the Voigtlander is a fun walk-around lens to use when I want to strain my eyes and squint my brains out when focusing. So...

What do you guys and gals think about these two lenses with the 5DIII, has anyone used either often as a walk-around lens? Should I just stick with the 7D like my shoulder angel suggests? Thanks for giving me your opinions, and also thanks for spending your time reading through this. ;D
After much fighting (with myself), reading dozens of reviews, and breaking my head, a few months ago, I finally upgraded from 7D & 17-55 f/2.8 IS to 5D MK III & 24-70 f/2.8 L II ... so I can understand your predicament.
For me the upgrade has been truly worth it and would easily recommend the 5D MK III upgrade to any 7D owner.
Since you mostly shoot 15-35 on your 7D, a 24-70mm lens on a 5D MK III would perfectly fit in that category (15mm on 7D is equivalent to 24mm on a full frame like 5D/6D).
I have the 16-35 L II and it is an amazing lens ... but I mostly use 24-55mm reach on my 5D MK III (which is the same FOV as 15-35 on a 7D ).
Had the 24-70 L II till a couple of days ago (someone stole it), I must say that I did miss IS on 24-70 f/2.8 L II, so I ordered for a Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC, should have it before the next weekend (actually I cannot afford to buy the 24-70 L II again ... and that coupled with my desire to have stabilization has led me to Tamron 24-70 VC).
If you've got the budget for 5D MK III, go for it along with a 24-70 f/2.8 lens.
If you plan on sticking with 7D the EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS is a great lens that perfectly fits into your most used focal range (except for 15-16mm reach)... right now that lens is being sold for US$ 940 ... which I think is a very good deal.

I pay 45 bucks a year for about $5000 of coverage from accidental damage and theft from my insurance company.  It is worth getting obviously for situations like yours.
Oh, how I wish I could insure all my gear ... Unfortunately, where I live, they do not provide insurance for lenses. :(
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2013, 02:47:01 PM »
Reinzphotoz I'm basically in a similar predicament as you were, but the wider-than-24mm focal length of the 16-35 appeals to me as much as the versatility of the 24-70, and thus my dilemma with choosing a lens. Let me know what you think of the Tamron 24-70 VC once you get it ;-)
Sure thing, in fact I plan on posting a few photos made with the Tamron 24-70 VC (must warn you that I am not a professional, just a bloke learning the art of photography and waiting for the lens to arrive, on the 21st Jan, with excitement).
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2013, 05:20:07 PM »
Reinzphotoz I'm basically in a similar predicament as you were, but the wider-than-24mm focal length of the 16-35 appeals to me as much as the versatility of the 24-70, and thus my dilemma with choosing a lens. Let me know what you think of the Tamron 24-70 VC once you get it ;-)
Sure thing, in fact I plan on posting a few photos made with the Tamron 24-70 VC (must warn you that I am not a professional, just a bloke learning the art of photography and waiting for the lens to arrive, on the 21st Jan, with excitement).

That's MLK day for us... So I'm guessing you aren'tin the US.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2013, 10:48:30 PM »
The only issue I see is that when you considering the crop factor of 1.6 the 15-35 is 24mm to 56mm.  And on a full frame camera, the 16-35 will actually be 16-35mm.  So you might want to look at one in person to make sure that your desired focal length is what you expect.  I'm not saying it will be TOO wide, but it might be. 

Umm... didn't read my post above ::)

as for the 70-85 range... that is 112mm to 136mm on a full frame... and I really don't think you have those covered in your lens options...

Didn't read the OP either- he already has a 70-200 f4L IS  ;)
Never sarcastic, just misinterpreted sometimes.

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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2013, 01:52:57 PM »
Reinzphotoz I'm basically in a similar predicament as you were, but the wider-than-24mm focal length of the 16-35 appeals to me as much as the versatility of the 24-70, and thus my dilemma with choosing a lens. Let me know what you think of the Tamron 24-70 VC once you get it ;-)
Sure thing, in fact I plan on posting a few photos made with the Tamron 24-70 VC (must warn you that I am not a professional, just a bloke learning the art of photography and waiting for the lens to arrive, on the 21st Jan, with excitement).

That's MLK day for us... So I'm guessing you aren'tin the US.
Don't know what MLK means ... but no I am not in the US... I live in the middle east.
My new Tamron 24-70 is coming on the 24th, not 21st as I mentioned earlier - it was a typo.
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2013, 02:51:06 PM »
Civil rights leader Dr Martin Luther King Jr's birthday is celebrated today - thus a lot of the USA is shutdown for holiday.

You really should try out some fast glass before making the jump to the 5dIII - thankfully all the fun stuff shy of the EFs 17-55 2.8IS & EFs 10-22 will work.  The Tamron 24-70 will make a huge difference compared to the long end of the 15-85.
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2013, 10:12:28 PM »
Reinzphotoz I'm basically in a similar predicament as you were, but the wider-than-24mm focal length of the 16-35 appeals to me as much as the versatility of the 24-70, and thus my dilemma with choosing a lens. Let me know what you think of the Tamron 24-70 VC once you get it ;-)
Sure thing, in fact I plan on posting a few photos made with the Tamron 24-70 VC (must warn you that I am not a professional, just a bloke learning the art of photography and waiting for the lens to arrive, on the 21st Jan, with excitement).

That's MLK day for us... So I'm guessing you aren'tin the US.
Don't know what MLK means ... but no I am not in the US... I live in the middle east.
My new Tamron 24-70 is coming on the 24th, not 21st as I mentioned earlier - it was a typo.
Martin Luther King Jr day... it is a psuedo holiday...
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2013, 09:06:07 AM »
Civil rights leader Dr Martin Luther King Jr's birthday is celebrated today - thus a lot of the USA is shutdown for holiday.
Thanks, I do know Martin Luther King as I had studied in school ... his life and fight for African American Civil Rights Liberty was part of our English curriculum ... but I was not aware he is referred to as MLK. 
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2013, 09:49:51 AM »
Hi dcren123,

I got my Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC lens ... I was supposed to go out to test the lens, but there was a real bad dust storm brewing up outside ... so I had to stay indoors ... since I was staying indoors, decided to do this very basic video about Tamron 24-70 ... sometime soon I'll do Part 2 of this video comparing image / video quality of this lens with a few other lenses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6XHTIEeOvs
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2013, 09:49:51 AM »

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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2013, 10:12:42 AM »
Does anyone know how to embedd a video on this forum? ... I saw one post by the moderator which says: "You can embed your YouTube or Vimeo content just by pasting the URL in your message." but when I copy pasted the URL (in the above post), nothing happens. Any ideas?
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2013, 12:33:01 AM »
Just took a look at your video on youtube, it is really well done. How long did you spend working on it ???

When trying out the Tamron 24-70 VC, did you notice any issues with focusing and sharpness as seen on a few of the reviews out there(e.g. The review from TDP where the left side was always softer, or other reviews where there were focus shifts)? Anyways I'm looking forward to part II of your review ;D

I've yet to make up my mind in regards to which lens I should buy with the 5DIII, but right now I'm leaning more towards buying the 16-35mm f2.8L II for the fact that the wider angle will probably come in handy when taking nature/landscape photography as well as architecture and street photography. If I don't like it I can always sell it and get the Tamron instead. I also plan on getting the B+W 110 nd filter and some graduated nd filters to go with the 16-35mm.
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Re: Potential upgrade from 7D
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2013, 12:33:01 AM »