Where are you EOS 70D?

[Marsu42]

It’s said to be an incremental upgrade from the 60D

Thanks Canon for not obsoleting my 60d :-> ... I already had a feeling the 70d would be just a 60d with the latest gimmicks (digic5 & fw features like hdr, live view af pixels, wifi, gps) and afma, if fast lenses are used. This really would be 100% Canon-like.

If this is released before the 7d2 (maybe end of 2013?) it proves Canon simply cannot do any better in the aps-c segment atm and needs the higher ff sensor area that has more potential left.

[surfing_geek]

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20130124_584693.html


Can any provide a 'better-than-machine-translation' translation of this interview?  I'm struggling to make any sense of the automatic one but unfortunately do not speak japanese!  I'd be really interested to see what was ACTUALLY said.


Cheers!

[carlosmeldano]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canon_EOS_digital_cameras

check the table at the bottom of the page.

7D started in 2009Q3. 550D followed in 2010Q1, 600D in 2011Q1 and 650D in 2012Q2. 60D started in 2010Q3, 60Da in 2012Q2. 6 cameras with the same sensor.

life cycle of the xxD was 1.5 years for 10D-20D-30D-40D, 2 years for 50D, and 60D is on the market for 2.5+ years.

as after 7D, the next rebel after 7Dmk2 will get the new sensor. it will probably be the 700D or the 750D.

assuming that the xxD life-cycle continues like this, 70D with the same old sensor will be very outdated in 2014, but we'll have to wait till early 2016 for the 80D (2.5 years from 2013Q2).

do you still think canon will put the same old 18mp sensor in 70D?

[wickidwombat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canon_EOS_digital_cameras

check the table at the bottom of the page.

7D started in 2009Q3. 550D followed in 2010Q1, 600D in 2011Q1 and 650D in 2012Q2. 60D started in 2010Q3, 60Da in 2012Q2. 6 cameras with the same sensor.

life cycle of the xxD was 1.5 years for 10D-20D-30D-40D, 2 years for 50D, and 60D is on the market for 2.5+ years.

as after 7D, the next rebel after 7Dmk2 will get the new sensor. it will probably be the 700D or the 750D.

assuming that the xxD life-cycle continues like this, 70D with the same old sensor will be very outdated in 2014, but we'll have to wait till early 2016 for the 80D (2.5 years from 2013Q2).

do you still think canon will put the same old 18mp sensor in 70D?

You forgot the eos m same sensor
And yes they will

[ashmadux]

I think they're trying to get some sort of record for wringing the most profit from a sensor, over the longest lifespan

+1

Although, from a business perspective, I gotta hand it to Canon for actually achieving that. That IS kind of the holy grail of business...to make a product that lasts forever.

the most impressive part is how they are wringing such a lot of profit / life out of such a BAD sensor

I wouldn't call it a "bad" sensor. Roger Clark has some interesting comparisons of IQ between the 7D and a number of other cameras, including the 5D II, 1D IV, etc. The 7D in those comparisons is actually good, captures more detail, just as much if not more light, all despite the added noise. On a size-normal basis, the 7D tends to outperform even the 1D IV until higher ISO settings.

It is not a "great" sensor, but technically and statistically speaking neither is it a "bad" sensor...it is just a middle-ground sensor that neither "wows" like the D800 nor truly sucks like a cheap P&S with a 16mp microsensor with pixels barely large enough to accommodate the wavelengths of light its supposed to be capturing. I don't think any of that actually changes your point, however... ;P

Nope, that terrible 7d sensor doesn't outperform anything. T2i had the best implementation out of all of the uses of this sensor, save for the sharpness of the t4i. 7d sensor is just too noisy

[taz]

It is ridiculous if they put the same old 18 mpix sensor in the 70D!
I will definitely NOT buy 70D if it uses the same sensor.

Make at least a new sensor with better iso performance and better dynamic range!!!

I dont care about how many pixels it has. Just improve high iso performance and dynamic range and I will buy it

[insanitybeard]

Nope, that terrible 7d sensor doesn't outperform anything. T2i had the best implementation out of all of the uses of this sensor, save for the sharpness of the t4i. 7d sensor is just too noisy

Yeah, makes me wonder how I can get any usable pictures out of the 7D.....

I don't disagree it needs updating, but the way it is described by some would have you believe you might as well just not bother taking pictures with it.

[Plainsman]

It is ridiculous if they put the same old 18 mpix sensor in the 70D!
I will definitely NOT buy 70D if it uses the same sensor.

Make at least a new sensor with better iso performance and better dynamic range!!!

I dont care about how many pixels it has. Just improve high iso performance and dynamic range and I will buy it

I would bet a small amount that the 70D - if it comes out soon- ie well ahead of a 7D2 launch will have the same 18Mp sensor as the 60D.

Canon certainly needs to be more innovative by even just thinking about subletting more sensor designs to Sony or Toshiba.

[ddashti]

Where are you EOS 7D Mark II?
What will happen to the 60Da after the 70D is released?
Will Canon try to pull off a 70Da?

[Brock]

It is ridiculous if they put the same old 18 mpix sensor in the 70D!
I will definitely NOT buy 70D if it uses the same sensor.

Make at least a new sensor with better iso performance and better dynamic range!!!

I dont care about how many pixels it has. Just improve high iso performance and dynamic range and I will buy it

I would bet a small amount that the 70D - if it comes out soon- ie well ahead of a 7D2 launch will have the same 18Mp sensor as the 60D.

Canon certainly needs to be more innovative by even just thinking about subletting more sensor designs to Sony or Toshiba.

Canon doesn't have a problem w/ sensor designs, just shrinking fabrication. 

The fact that they are able to get the performance they do within the 0.5 µm design rules shows they are, if not the very best sensor designer, close to it.

When they finally do shrink the process I have lofty expectations.

I still think that it's crazy to keep the same sensor in the 70D & don't believe it.  There's no way they can drag it out another 2.5 years.  So unless there's some secret sauce that will make it magic I don't know how they can justify it.

[sandymandy]

It will more likely be 6D sensor reduced in size.

[RLPhoto]

I expect the 70D to be a repackaged 7D and the 7DII to be a step-up from that.

[EchoLocation]

Wow... Sad news for Canon fans. If the 70D has the same sensor as the 60D and similar AF, then it will truly be a waste of an upgrade.
As has been said beforee, the 7D is ancient by now(2009!) and badly needs an upgrade.
If Canon releases any other cameras over 800 dollars with that same 18MP sensor it will be ridonculous.
This is why I switched, I got tired of the same glacial change and ultra high introductory pricing of Canon products.

[Marsu42]

Wow... Sad news for Canon fans. If the 70D has the same sensor as the 60D and similar AF, then it will truly be a waste of an upgrade.

Next to the gimmicks I'd at least expect the 70d to have 11 af points like the 6d, maybe even the 7d-type af - so depending on the price of course it'd be an excellent and capable camera, though considering the competition a little underwhelming and lacking the "wow!" factor.

[honsten]

I honestly think we'll see new sensors this time around. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the 7DII to be shown off at Cp+, maybe given a rough release date, like spring... It just won't be released immediately.

Canon know full well how old that 18MP sensor is and they haven't been sitting idle for the last three years. It would be immensely stupid to warm-over the 60D like people are saying will happen...