Where are you EOS 70D?

[MintMark]

I dont care about how many pixels it has. Just improve high iso performance and dynamic range and I will buy it

You could get a full frame camera and crop the pictures to achieve that...

Very good comment... does any full frame camera have a swirvel screen?

Well, there's a 6D and a smartphone running EOS remote... but it's unwieldy if you're holding both of them.

[preppyak]

Well, there's a 6D and a smartphone running EOS remote... but it's unwieldy if you're holding both of them.

Yeah...not to mention you lose the 1000-shot battery life advantage of having a DSLR.

[Marsu42]

Well, there's a 6D and a smartphone running EOS remote... but it's unwieldy if you're holding both of them.

Yeah...not to mention you lose the 1000-shot battery life advantage of having a DSLR.

Imho it's a disgrace Canon cut the swivel screen from the 6d, I doubt there is any other reason than to protect the 5d3 - after all, a swivel screen is very nice for video and that's supposed to be the 5d3's strength. Of course wifi isn't a real replacement.

Yesterday I shot macro near the ground in the snow, I couldn't have done that with the 6d - I'm happy to lie flat in the mud to get good shots, but not in the freezing snow for an extended time :-(

[Pitbullo]

Imho it's a disgrace Canon cut the swivel screen from the 6d, I doubt there is any other reason than to protect the 5d3 - after all, a swivel screen is very nice for video and that's supposed to be the 5d3's strength. Of course wifi isn't a real replacement.

Yesterday I shot macro near the ground in the snow, I couldn't have done that with the 6d - I'm happy to lie flat in the mud to get good shots, but not in the freezing snow for an extended time :-(

The 5D3 does not have an articulated screen. 60D does.

[Marsu42]

The 5D3 does not have an articulated screen. 60D does.

That's correct, I've got a 60d (see my equipment list).

What I tried to convey was that because even the video-king 5d3 hasn't got a swivel screen Canon didn't want to add it on the 60d-like 6d - because the 6d is obviously designed to have lower specs in any area save the center af light sensitivity as the "joker" against the Nikon 600d.

[Pitbullo]

Ahh. You are right!

It is kind of annoying when accounts are telling engineers what they can and can not do. As I stated in another thread, the 6D is not for me (even though I might end up with one in a year or two due to $$, only a hobbyist here...). So, why dont I like the 6D, even though it probably is a great camera! Because it is not as good as it could be. I dont even think the 5D3 is as good as it could be. It is specced to fit a place in the marked, and priced to make the absolute most money. Perhaps the dSLR segment need more competition, as there are only two real competitors, Canon and Nikon.

[J.R.]

The 5D3 does not have an articulated screen. 60D does.

That's correct, I've got a 60d (see my equipment list).

What I tried to convey was that because even the video-king 5d3 hasn't got a swivel screen Canon didn't want to add it on the 60d-like 6d - because the 6d is obviously designed to have lower specs in any area save the center af light sensitivity as the "joker" against the Nikon 600d.

Canon and Nikon have held out against putting in an articulated LCD on their pro-level cameras on the ground that "Pro's don't want articulating screens". I chanced to read this here ...

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-pros-dont-want-articulating-screens-1062390

I wonder what Pro's Canon and Nikon talk to ... maybe it is really not required. I guess we would know more if some Pro's put in their comments on this.

On an aside though, does the articulated screen impact the weather-sealing in any way? If not, then why do the companies not put them in the pro level cameras also? It's not like you have to use the articulated screen if it is available.

[Marsu42]

Canon and Nikon have held out against putting in an articulated LCD on their pro-level cameras on the ground that "Pro's don't want articulating screens".

I'm not a pro, but I guess pros either seldom do macro or often have dedicated video cameras with swivel screen - so that would leave event/sports/portrait, all of those don't require the swivel screen.

One factor might be that pros are more conservative - a good idea if the equipment should "just work" - and thus a major change on the camera body is always received with skepticism.

On an aside though, does the articulated screen impact the weather-sealing in any way?

I've read about this theory, but I really doubt this would be a serious issue if they were determined to do it - though in the 60d/600d-style cameras it probably wasn't the first priority.

It's not like you have to use the articulated screen if it is available.

... exactly, but it's a great lcd protection if traveling or lugging the camera around.

The one ridiculous (imho) argument I've read is that your screen can break off if flipped out and you drop the camera or the like - but I doubt this is a real world issue and you can wreck any camera if your're set on it.

[Don Haines]

Yesterday I shot macro near the ground in the snow, I couldn't have done that with the 6d - I'm happy to lie flat in the mud to get good shots, but not in the freezing snow for an extended time :-(

Full moon last night...and minus 29C..... Shooting straight up in the air and VERY happy to have a swivel screen.

[Marsu42]

Yesterday I shot macro near the ground in the snow, I couldn't have done that with the 6d - I'm happy to lie flat in the mud to get good shots, but not in the freezing snow for an extended time :-(

Full moon last night...and minus 29C..... Shooting straight up in the air and VERY happy to have a swivel screen.

Kudos to you, I only shot @-5C (but with a wet boot after I figured out that a fox is able to walk on thinner ice than me) :-> ... but -5C is probably worse than lower temperatures because whenever I came into contact with snow it melted and then froze again :-o

Really, I think most people that hate swivel screens never used it with tripod shots, if the 6d had it I'd be much more enthusiastic about spending the €2000.

[J.R.]

Full moon last night...and minus 29C..... Shooting straight up in the air and VERY happy to have a swivel screen.

Outstanding! I applaud your spirit and I'll make sure to show your post to my wife. She thought that I had lost my marbles when I went out to shoot the sunrise the other day when it was (only) -7C.

Kudos to you, I only shot @-5C (but with a wet boot after I figured out that a fox is able to walk on thinner ice than me) :-> ... but -5C is probably worse than lower temperatures because whenever I came into contact with snow it melted and then froze again :-o

Hope and expect that you are OK ... A friend of mine had frostbite last year under similar circumstances and it wasn't good.

Really, I think most people that hate swivel screens never used it with tripod shots, if the 6d had it I'd be much more enthusiastic about spending the €2000.

+1 for very low level shots BUT EUR 2000 for the 6D ... THAT'S GOTTA HURT!

[Marsu42]

Outstanding! I applaud your spirit and I'll make sure to show your post to my wife. She thought that I had lost my marbles when I went out to shoot the sunrise the other day when it was (only) -7C.

Thanks for the good wishes, I only shot for about an hour and kept moving while the camera shot the brackets - I know it's time to quit when I start to loose the feeling in the feet after extensive experience when skiing in the swiss alps :-o ...

... but please tell your wife other photogs (i.e. me) think their best shots are from nighttime bracketed long exposure, right now it's snowing in Berlin and this night I plan to shoot some architecture with fresh snow :-)

[jrista]

The 5D3 does not have an articulated screen. 60D does.

That's correct, I've got a 60d (see my equipment list).

What I tried to convey was that because even the video-king 5d3 hasn't got a swivel screen Canon didn't want to add it on the 60d-like 6d - because the 6d is obviously designed to have lower specs in any area save the center af light sensitivity as the "joker" against the Nikon 600d.

Articulating screens are the bane of weather sealing. The 5D line, being Canon's second-highest professional-grade line of cameras, is expected to have some of the best weather sealing that can be found in a camera. The addition of an articulating screen would make that nearly impossible to achieve to the degree it needs to be, difficult to achieve by any means.

If you look at the 1D line, it doesn't even use a rotating knob for the primary mode control...it uses buttons. It uses buttons because they are much easier to weather seal, and the seals are more effective than the seal for something that turns or rotates.

When it comes to professional grade cameras, even those that support video, an articulating screen is probably the last thing on any serious professional's mind.

[J.R.]

... but please tell your wife other photogs (i.e. me) think their best shots are from nighttime bracketed long exposure, right now it's snowing in Berlin and this night I plan to shoot some architecture with fresh snow :-)

Thanks ... will do! Hope you get good shots!

OTOH being a hobbyist sometimes does not bode well with wives ... my wife already considers my cameras my first and most loved ...   

[Marsu42]

Articulating screens are the bane of weather sealing.

I'm not debating a sealed swivel screen is more of an engineering challenge than putting a rubber ring at the front of "sealed" bodies, but well, you know, after mankind flew to the Moon and is on its way to Mars...