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Help to make my decision.
« on: January 25, 2013, 05:36:51 PM »
Help me to make right decision, I've been shooting with 7D now +2 years and been looking for moving to FF. Basically what my gear includes now is 7D with 17-55 F2.8 and basic kit 15-135 that is not used like at all.. and now shooting with 7D these couple years I've noticed that my pictures are almost 50% portraits and 50% landscapes, cityscapes etc.

What should I do, been looking for to get 5D Mark II?
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Help to make my decision.
« on: January 25, 2013, 05:36:51 PM »

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Re: Help to make my decision.
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 12:09:58 AM »
5D2 for what you do if you are thinking about going FF. Mind you with a couple of other lenses you can do very well with the 7D. I had a Tokina 11-16 which is a very sharp corner corner lens. The Canon 85 1.8 is a inexpensive and excellent portrait lens.   

I have both the 7D and 5D3 (had 5D2) and you can't been the IQ you get out of a FF but I can't imagine giving up either. I also shoot sports and wildlife (birding) so each body has it's place.           

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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 01:14:24 AM »
I see two options for you if you want to make the jump to FF..

Sell 7D and lens, buy 5D2 + a lens or two

KEEP 7D and buy a used 5Dc (they can be had for 500 or less) + 17-40L.

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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 07:31:13 AM »
What I got in my mind to figuring this was get 5D2 with Sigma 35 F1.4 and 24-105 F4L.
That Sigma and 24-105 fills my needs for now pretty much all the way because most of shooting what I do now is just family/portraits and some snowy landscapes.
And later on add 16-35L or 17-40L and 70-200L II, and change 25-105 to 24-70L Mk1.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2013, 07:34:28 AM by willis »
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 02:25:58 PM »
The Canon 5D mark II might be perfect for you as you could get away without some of the new features of the mark III and get it for dirt cheap. I upgraded to the 5D3 from the 7D and it is the most logical upgrade and a great camera well worth the $ but the 5D3 is a bit pricey.

I would start selling your lenses now and replace them with FF lenses. Some top choices for what you shoot would be the:
Canon 17-40 f/4L - One of the best landscape lenses
Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC - great all around lens and still good for portraits
85mm f/1.8 - The best portrait lenses around other than the extremely expensive 85mm f/1.2 and it is not too expensive

I picked the Tamron over the Canon because the Tamron gives the f/2.8 aperture which is great for portraits and low light such as indoors and still has the VC for stabilization. The Tamron was even a touch sharper than the new Canon 24-70 f/4L IS:

Canon 24-70 f/4L IS vs Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC - FIGHT! Small | Large

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Re: Help to make my decision.
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 02:47:06 PM »
You have no FF lenses, which mean's you might as well just sell everything and start new with FF.

1. Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC.
2. Canon 100mm F/2
3. 5D2 or 5D3.

Skip 6D, Not good value for $$$.

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2013, 10:41:09 PM »
You have no FF lenses, which mean's you might as well just sell everything and start new with FF.

1. Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC.
2. Canon 100mm F/2
3. 5D2 or 5D3.

Skip 6D, Not good value for $$$.

I WOULDN'T do that - I would skip 5D II and take 6D for these reasons.

1. Newer camera - with extra features, wifi etc
2. True Auto ISO in "M" mode, 5D II has fixed auto ISO at 400
3. Better AF - more accurate then 5D II
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2013, 10:41:09 PM »

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Re: Help to make my decision.
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 09:12:53 AM »
You have no FF lenses, which mean's you might as well just sell everything and start new with FF.

1. Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC.
2. Canon 100mm F/2
3. 5D2 or 5D3.

Skip 6D, Not good value for $$$.

I WOULDN'T do that - I would skip 5D II and take 6D for these reasons.

1. Newer camera - with extra features, wifi etc
2. True Auto ISO in "M" mode, 5D II has fixed auto ISO at 400
3. Better AF - more accurate then 5D II

In actual use, the 6D will fail in everything the 5D2 will performance wise and no better than the 5D2 in getting the shot. Same FPS, nearly identical terrible AF, and 98% viewfinder. The 5D3 will have none of these limits.

So why waste those extra 500$? Get another lens. Don't waste it on the fluff from the 6D and that's why I consider it bad value for $$$.

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Re: Help to make my decision.
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2013, 11:02:39 AM »
So why waste those extra 500$?

Well, some things come to mind... (from http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=1130)

  • higher iso capability
  • less banding
  • higher dynamic range
  • center-point af up to -3lv
  • silent shutter
  • faster fps
  • longer battery life
  • shorter release time
  • better metering & auto-wb
  • hi-res lcd
  • small & light but good grip
  • top wheel lock
  • gps built-in
  • wifi built-in
  • newer firmware:
    • full support for rt flashes,
    • in-camera multishot/hdr
    • in-camera ca correction
    • 7x bracketing
    • dual afma for zooms
    • servo af customization
    • flexible min/max auto-iso
    • min shutter speed setting
    • orientation-linked af point
« Last Edit: January 31, 2013, 11:05:51 AM by Marsu42 »

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Re: Help to make my decision.
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2013, 12:29:08 PM »
a book is there for you to read, it is just the matter of how much you are getting out of it.  same on camera, it is just a tool for you to use... if you are tight on budget, then find a work around way to deal with...  there is a commercial/fashion photographer has won number of awards with her canon 350d/xt.  ansel adams & george hurrell, etc did not have great tools back in the day, but they still produced great images.  after all, it is just the matter of art (from your eyes and retouch)

link:  http://blog.zhangjingna.com/2010/10/equipment-and-where-money-comes-from.html

note:  if you are shooting sport, that is a different story.  GET 1DX  :P
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 12:57:54 PM »
+1 on not dismissing the 6D from your considerations

... it is a budget (preferences) vs needs (wants) match and we don't know many of these (yours), however I had this dilemma as well and I don't have it anymore... what I do have now is a 6D : )

that said, the price differences of 5DII, 6D, 5DIII seem to vary between countries and the 6D to 5DIII was high in mine (6D+58%=5DIII), the 5DII and 6D were almost the same which made go with 6D for reasons already mentioned above
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2013, 01:07:54 PM »
So why waste those extra 500$?

Well, some things come to mind... (from http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=1130)

  • higher iso capability
  • less banding
  • higher dynamic range
  • center-point af up to -3lv
  • silent shutter
  • faster fps
  • longer battery life
  • shorter release time
  • better metering & auto-wb
  • hi-res lcd
  • small & light but good grip
  • top wheel lock
  • gps built-in
  • wifi built-in
  • newer firmware:
    • full support for rt flashes,
    • in-camera multishot/hdr
    • in-camera ca correction
    • 7x bracketing
    • dual afma for zooms
    • servo af customization
    • flexible min/max auto-iso
    • min shutter speed setting
    • orientation-linked af point


+1 ... And also remote shooting with a smartphone and better weather sealing 8)
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2013, 02:04:35 PM »
+1 from me too on not dismissing the 6D.

The OP didn't give a budget in mind, so I don't know that. One thing that I can tell you is that all of the "amazing deals" that I have seen on the 5DII have been for used gear just barely below the price of a brand new 6D. Believe me, I have looked. I realize that the 5DII is a great camera and a workhorse, but the thought of dismissing another very good camera which does include some improvements, and that can be had brand new with warranty for not much more seems like a bad idea.

I realize that some people have found that the 6D is not for them, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean that it's not for everyone, or that it's a bad camera. It's definitely on my list as a potential upgrade for my XSi. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Help to make my decision.
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2013, 02:04:35 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2013, 02:40:10 PM »
I realize that some people have found that the 6D is not for them, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean that it's not for everyone, or that it's a bad camera.

The catch with the 6d is that I have to press the big red "delete knowledge" button to stop thinking about what Canon cut in comparison to the 5d3 for no reason at all than marketing, and what the competition can deliver for a €2000 price tag - after all, that's a lot of money for a camera body that is soon to be outdated by upcoming sensors and just has a 100k shutter rating.

But ignoring the said facts I'll most probably also buy a 6d if the price drops a bit more after the early adopters wave.

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2013, 02:59:06 PM »
I realize that some people have found that the 6D is not for them, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean that it's not for everyone, or that it's a bad camera.

The catch with the 6d is that I have to press the big red "delete knowledge" button to stop thinking about what Canon cut in comparison to the 5d3 for no reason at all than marketing, and what the competition can deliver for a €2000 price tag - after all, that's a lot of money for a camera body that is soon to be outdated by upcoming sensors and just has a 100k shutter rating.

But ignoring the said facts I'll most probably also buy a 6d if the price drops a bit more after the early adopters wave.

Well, you can look at it that way.

Or you can look at it this way:
The 5DII was the successor to the 5D, and a great camera.
The 5DIII is the successor to the 5DII, also a great camera.

The 6D is the first in it's line, a FF body for someone who can't afford the 5D series, or wants a slightly smaller body, or... Comparing it to the 5DIII isn't really fair.

If I had the money to spend on a 5DIII I might just buy one. It is a wonderful camera. But I am not a pro (though photography does come up quite often in what I do), and I have a mortgage, and a car payment, and a wife, and... From the OPs first post it seems that they aren't a pro either.

Seeing the 6D for $1699 last week definitely makes it appealing.

Of course I will probably still obsessively follow 5DIIs on Ebay looking for that killer deal that won't ever come.

Sorry for hijacking the post. The OP said that portraits and landscapes were the bulk of what they shoot, so it seems like an option not to discount.
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Re: Help to make my decision.
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