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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2013, 08:57:08 AM »
After the introduction of the Metabones Speed Booster, I have to wonder if Canon will introduce a version of their own for M-bodies and EF lenses. Conceivably, they could make one with 0.62996 magnification (1.5874 crop factor) while increasing the aperture by 1-1/3 stops, an improvement of 1/3 stops over the Metabones.

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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2013, 09:40:33 AM »
Somehow, I feel like Canon should skip 2013 and go right to 2014 :-o

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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2013, 09:46:00 AM »
Surely they wouldn't price it above the 6D?

Of course they would, the 6d is entry level (it just happens to be full frame), the 7d is medium to pro (sports/wildlife aps-c) ... the 1.6x lens magnification is the reason many photogs have a 7d even if they could easily afford a 5d3.

Think of the price difference of a 300mm lens to a 300x1.6 ~= 500mm lens - that's the amount of money you can save when buying aps-c over ff, and Canon know they can add a part of the difference on top of the 7d2 price.

I don't have a 7D. But what I've heard and read from those who have both it and a 5DIII, even using the same lenses for little birdies when they're distance-limited with both bodies, the 5DIII still beats the 7D. I've heard from more than one person who had both with the intention of using them for different stuff...and who ditched the 7D (either altogether or to pay for another 5DIII).

Even though the cropped image from the 5DIII doesn't have as many megapickles as the still cropped image from the 7D, the image quality is at least comparable, with the nod perhaps going to the 5DIII. But, more importantly, even though the frame rate is lower for the 5DIII, the autofocus system is so much better that you get a higher percentage of keepers.

So, if you want something better than a 7D, consider a 5DIII.

One would assume, of course, that the 7DII would have the same autofocus as the 5DIII and the frame rate of the 7D and image quality up to current standards, which would obviously tip the scales back to the 7DII for distance-limited photography. But I think it's also safe to assume that the 5DIV will again jump ahead, and that the two will continue to play leapfrog.

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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2013, 09:52:43 AM »
Somehow, I feel like Canon should skip 2013 and go right to 2014 :-o

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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2013, 09:54:58 AM »
How about we all just go shoot photographs with the cameras and lenses we have right now, and meet back here in a year! Doesn't look like much of anything interesting will be happening, and to me that's actually fine- I don't have to spend any money for a few minutes!

The technology is really getting good, upgrades are so minor these days, there's no real excuses left.

I think I'll buy an X100s though just to satisfy my sickness.

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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2013, 10:04:50 AM »
do you guys think the new 100-400 will again be with this push zoom?

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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2013, 10:06:23 AM »
I had an interresting talk with five Japanese tourists at the winners ceremony.
They had professional Nikon and Canon cameras and told me that Nikon will release a top Crop Camera in spring this year and update their Nikon 100-400 pedant (80-400 or so).

The Canon 7D2 will be priced much higher than an D300 successor, near the 5D3 .
The Camera will be an class for its own. A small 1Dx. Fast AF and high fps. A special product for all persons that will need high speed and do not have the money for an 1Dx.
The Canon successor of the 100-400 will be at 270.000-300000 Yen.

One of them said, that in Japanese photography chatrooms many think, that  Canon should buy some of the parts at thrid party companies. Today the Sony chip is much better than Canons.
And if Canon will not change their strategy, they will be soon in financial problems
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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2013, 10:08:02 AM »
do you guys think the new 100-400 will again be with this push zoom?

I got the information that there will be an rotating zoom. But much higher priced than the 100-400 L (Rumors from Japanese tourists that are photographic enthusiasts)
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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2013, 10:16:14 AM »
I had an interresting talk with five Japanese tourists at the winners ceremony.
They had professional Nikon and Canon cameras and told me that Nikon will release a top Crop Camera in spring this year and update their Nikon 100-400 pedant (80-400 or so).

The Canon 7D2 will be priced much higher than an D300 successor, near the 5D3 .
The Camera will be an class for its own. A small 1Dx. Fast AF and high fps. A special product for all persons that will need high speed and do not have the money for an 1Dx.
The Canon successor of the 100-400 will be at 270.000-300000 Yen.

One of them said, that in Japanese photography chatrooms many think, that  Canon should buy some of the parts at thrid party companies. Today the Sony chip is much better than Canons.
And if Canon will not change their strategy, they will be soon in financial problems


I would consider to upgrade my 7D to a 7D MK II but I am not that desperate to pay almost 3000 euro

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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2013, 10:18:48 AM »
I'm tired of waiting. I shoot wildlife and have two great canon lenses. But also have the same ones in Sigma mount for Pentax. I am buying the new k-5 II and a grip. Shelving the new CAnon 500 II until I can get a decent crop body. Screw em.
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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2013, 10:19:26 AM »
I had an interresting talk with five Japanese tourists at the winners ceremony.
They had professional Nikon and Canon cameras and told me that Nikon will release a top Crop Camera in spring this year and update their Nikon 100-400 pedant (80-400 or so).

The Canon 7D2 will be priced much higher than an D300 successor, near the 5D3 .
The Camera will be an class for its own. A small 1Dx. Fast AF and high fps. A special product for all persons that will need high speed and do not have the money for an 1Dx.
The Canon successor of the 100-400 will be at 270.000-300000 Yen.

One of them said, that in Japanese photography chatrooms many think, that  Canon should buy some of the parts at thrid party companies. Today the Sony chip is much better than Canons.
And if Canon will not change their strategy, they will be soon in financial problems


I would consider to upgrade my 7D to a 7D MK II but I am not that desperate to pay almost 3000 euro

This is really true. IMO Canon knows that enthusiasts will buy their Cameras. (Like we need the newest smartphone, even if it is not better than the predecessor. And they know that it is very expensive to change the equipment in lenses to another product line.
So the success will be guaranteed

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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2013, 10:20:07 AM »
The problem is that I can pick up an Olympus E-M5 that beats the iq of any canon APS-c camera and they are supposed to be introducing an even better successor to the E-5 ..... Or I can go Panasonic......or I can go Sony..... Or I can go Nikon.... Canon is now positioned at the bottom of the APS-c world for iq and even micro four thirds is beating it.

From a DxO-minded, sensor-only viewpoint, sure.  But what's the lens selection like over there?  I think you know the answer, as a few posts later, you wish for a 400mm lens.
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« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2013, 10:34:19 AM »
The problem is that I can pick up an Olympus E-M5 that beats the iq of any canon APS-c camera and they are supposed to be introducing an even better successor to the E-5 ..... Or I can go Panasonic......or I can go Sony..... Or I can go Nikon.... Canon is now positioned at the bottom of the APS-c world for iq and even micro four thirds is beating it.

From a DxO-minded, sensor-only viewpoint, sure.  But what's the lens selection like over there?  I think you know the answer, as a few posts later, you wish for a 400mm lens.

As I am fond of saying, it is a camera system, not just a sensor. For my needs and preferences, I greatly prefer the ergonomics of the non-rebel canons. Four thirds and micro four thirds have nothing that compares to Canon Lglass, particularly when you get past 200mm..... For birds and wild animals there is nothing that compares to long glass, with canon I can dream of a 600 f4, not so with the others. A 60D and a 400 5.6 beats anything micro four thirds can offer to me.... A 5Diii and a 600f4 would be nirvana (nerdvana?)

Right now the sensor is the weak part of the chain, but even so the system beats the competition for my needs.
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« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2013, 10:38:36 AM »
Right now the sensor is the week part of the chain, but even so the system beats the competition for my needs.

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« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2013, 10:41:28 AM »

I don't have a 7D. But what I've heard and read from those who have both it and a 5DIII, even using the same lenses for little birdies when they're distance-limited with both bodies, the 5DIII still beats the 7D.


What you have heard and read is absolutely correct. The 5D3 puts the 7D to shame ... 1.6 crop factor notwithstanding!


I've heard from more than one person who had both with the intention of using them for different stuff...and who ditched the 7D (either altogether or to pay for another 5DIII).


I'm one of these people ... I ditched the 7D  because the 7D was only gathering dust ever since I got the 5DIII. I used the funds I got from the sale of the 7D to get a 6D instead (as a second FF body) - I click half my pics when I travel for "work" and where I go to there is sufficient dust to clog up most vacuum cleaners ... leave alone a little camera sensor, so changing lenses in the field is next to impossible.


One would assume, of course, that the 7DII would have the same autofocus as the 5DIII and the frame rate of the 7D and image quality up to current standards, which would obviously tip the scales back to the 7DII for distance-limited photography. But I think it's also safe to assume that the 5DIV will again jump ahead, and that the two will continue to play leapfrog.
 

I hope so but doubt that ... Canon has been screwing up the latest offerings to the extent of crippling them "substantially" (the 6D is a case is point - only 11 AF points, less than even the 7D). Some important cog in the wheel will, surely, be missing!
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