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« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2013, 11:47:01 AM »
do you guys think the new 100-400 will again be with this push zoom?

the "new" 100-400L has been dragged out for effect so many times on rumor forums debating if it "will be" this or that is like debating if people from Oklahoma have a dominant left or right brain. ;)
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« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2013, 11:58:57 AM »
I had an interresting talk with five Japanese tourists at the winners ceremony.
They had professional Nikon and Canon cameras and told me that Nikon will release a top Crop Camera in spring this year and update their Nikon 100-400 pedant (80-400 or so). Canon...[redact] will be soon in financial problems

Bwahahahah!  So I take it this rumor is "JT3?"  :P

do you guys think the new 100-400 will again be with this push zoom?

I got the information that there will be an rotating zoom. But much higher priced than the 100-400 L (Rumors from Japanese tourists that are photographic enthusiasts)

I don't know about your Japanese tourists, but I asked the homeless guy in front of the City Hall, and he was fairly certain it will be remote-controlled accordion design and will come with a dedicated Organ-Grinder monkey.  :P
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« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2013, 12:02:58 PM »

I don't have a 7D. But what I've heard and read from those who have both it and a 5DIII, even using the same lenses for little birdies when they're distance-limited with both bodies, the 5DIII still beats the 7D.


What you have heard and read is absolutely correct. The 5D3 puts the 7D to shame ... 1.6 crop factor notwithstanding!



Not correct.
Same lens, same distance, decent light, and a large print - the 7D print will be better.

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« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2013, 12:05:04 PM »

I don't have a 7D. But what I've heard and read from those who have both it and a 5DIII, even using the same lenses for little birdies when they're distance-limited with both bodies, the 5DIII still beats the 7D.


What you have heard and read is absolutely correct. The 5D3 puts the 7D to shame ... 1.6 crop factor notwithstanding!



Not correct.
Same lens, same distance, decent light, and a large print - the 7D print will be better.


That would be a fair assessment if the AF demands were not too stringent.
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« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2013, 12:07:34 PM »
It will, I believe, be for less than the 6D.

Not necessarily, at least not the starting price. Canon's strategy is to use a ridiculously high release price, then wait until all early adopters suckers paid up, then lower the price, wait some again and repeat until the camera body is phased out. And there will be early 7d2 adopters because of the crop factor, €1000 more or less doesn't exactly matter for many people who are able to afford Canon tele primes.

I guess they can also afford the 1DX and wouldn't care about the latest crop cam
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« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2013, 12:14:47 PM »
Many interesting comments, largely correct from despondent APS-C devotees.  Some thoughts on this announcement:

  • For those arguing the 7D2 can't have a higher price than the 6D, I'd strongly reconsider that position: 

    • First, by the time the 7D2 will come to market (if this report is accurate) the 6D may drop under $2k. 

    • Second, the 7D and proposed 7D2 is not a 'nice' or mid-level camera.  It is a top of the line feature set for the smaller sensor.  The idea that a smaller sensor makes it a second class citizen is absurd -- IQ / DOF impact / noise are very important but they are not everything.  That smaller sensor is not solely a takeaway -- it buys you range and burst rate.  Pro sports shooters and birders love both of those things.  Also, serious amateurs / enthusiasts can use the crop range multiplier to get into long glass without having to take out a loan;  my friend has the money for a 5D3 but only cares about crop length as it keeps him in the $1k-2k lens range and not in the $6k-10k lens range.  For that reason APS-C is, and will remain, financially vital -- even after FF sensors come down in price.

    • Third, a rhetorical argument to be fair, but aren't premiums and price points king these days?  Hell, a high end Ford can cost more than an entry level Audi, right?  :D

    • As such, a state of the art 7D2 coming out for less than a +1 year old 6D would boggle my mind. 

  • From an EF lens perspective, only 4 lenses is disappointing:

    • One of them is 100% likely to be the (non-L) 50mm IS to replace the venerable 50mm F/1.4.  Whether the new one will still offer F/1.4 or more likely F/1. 8 or F/2.0 remains to be seen, but it will 100% likely have IS.  This is assured because the 50 F/1.4 (along with the stellar 85mm F/1.8 ) is next in line after the 24 IS, 28 IS and 35 IS lenses to get updated.  The 50 IS will be a massive upgrade over the 20+ year old 50 F/1.4, I have no doubt.  As such, I'm looking forward to it.

      • For those doubting how much nicer the new 50 IS will be over the 50 F/1.4, think again.  It will have internal focusing, near-L build quality and far better IQ and focusing.  I have said and will continue to say that my 28 IS punches it weight against L lenses brilliantly.

    • Only four is disappointing to me in that I am eager to see new L primes in these same wide/standard lengths that hopefully have IS.  But only 4 new lenses would say that it's not happening this year.  If I had to guess, 2 of the four will be the aforementioned non-L 50 and 85, and there has been a fair amount of info to suggest the others would likely be an ultrawide zoom (the mythical 14-24) and something longer like the 100-400 or (finally) the 200-400/1.4x.

    • One possible theory for so few lenses?  All of their lens designers and manufacturing capacity are likely committed to building up the EOS-M lens portfolio.  Roll your eyes all you want, but that mount is here and it needs glass to be successful.  I'd be stunned if there wasn't a 55-250-like option and a macro lens for EOS-M in the next 12-18 months.  There's even value for the 'serious tourists' to go after an EOS-M variant of the EF-S 10-22.  Sure, the EOS-M has an adapter, but that was aimed at us -- the serious users who want a small second body.  But if you are a new camera owner, why take a camera the size of a deck of cards and bolt thick adapters and thicker (and more expensive) EF lenses to it?  EOS-M needs its own glass offerings, and quickly if Canon is to catch up in mirrorless.

  • It continues to shock me that Canon is top of the line for lenses, AF, and ergonomics (in my opinion), yet it continues to have poor sensors compared to the competition.  I don't put too much faith in those DXO scores, but the dynamic range data out there, particularly in low ISO, gives compelling reason that Sony/Nikon sensors are a solid step ahead of Canon's.  Heck, in some of these tests we're seeing lower price point sensors beat the Canon counterparts (D600 trumping the 5D3, for instance).

As always, this is fun to chat about.  None of this is changing my affiliation for a host of reasons, btw.  On aggregate, as many have said, I'm using the right system.

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« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2013, 12:22:27 PM »
It will, I believe, be for less than the 6D.

Not necessarily, at least not the starting price. Canon's strategy is to use a ridiculously high release price, then wait until all early adopters suckers paid up, then lower the price, wait some again and repeat until the camera body is phased out. And there will be early 7d2 adopters because of the crop factor, €1000 more or less doesn't exactly matter for many people who are able to afford Canon tele primes.
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« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2013, 12:24:28 PM »
What would be the improvement in a new 50 f/1.4 have over the old one?

Build quality, plain and simple. Actually, all they'd have to do is make that inside barrel out of something a little more solid than plastic, and the problem would be solved.
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« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2013, 12:24:55 PM »

I don't have a 7D. But what I've heard and read from those who have both it and a 5DIII, even using the same lenses for little birdies when they're distance-limited with both bodies, the 5DIII still beats the 7D.


What you have heard and read is absolutely correct. The 5D3 puts the 7D to shame ... 1.6 crop factor notwithstanding!



Not correct.
Same lens, same distance, decent light, and a large print - the 7D print will be better.


That would be a fair assessment if the AF demands were not too stringent.

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« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2013, 12:26:42 PM »
I had an interresting talk with five Japanese tourists at the winners ceremony.
They had professional Nikon and Canon cameras and told me that Nikon will release a top Crop Camera in spring this year and update their Nikon 100-400 pedant (80-400 or so). Canon...[redact] will be soon in financial problems

Bwahahahah!  So I take it this rumor is "JT3?"  :P

do you guys think the new 100-400 will again be with this push zoom?

I got the information that there will be an rotating zoom. But much higher priced than the 100-400 L (Rumors from Japanese tourists that are photographic enthusiasts)

I don't know about your Japanese tourists, but I asked the homeless guy in front of the City Hall, and he was fairly certain it will be remote-controlled accordion design and will come with a dedicated Organ-Grinder monkey.  :P

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« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2013, 12:26:45 PM »

I don't have a 7D. But what I've heard and read from those who have both it and a 5DIII, even using the same lenses for little birdies when they're distance-limited with both bodies, the 5DIII still beats the 7D.


What you have heard and read is absolutely correct. The 5D3 puts the 7D to shame ... 1.6 crop factor notwithstanding!



Not correct.
Same lens, same distance, decent light, and a large print - the 7D print will be better.

That may be true for the 5D3/7D, but is not true with the 1DX/7D.
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« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2013, 12:34:30 PM »

I don't have a 7D. But what I've heard and read from those who have both it and a 5DIII, even using the same lenses for little birdies when they're distance-limited with both bodies, the 5DIII still beats the 7D.


What you have heard and read is absolutely correct. The 5D3 puts the 7D to shame ... 1.6 crop factor notwithstanding!



Not correct.
Same lens, same distance, decent light, and a large print - the 7D print will be better.


That would be a fair assessment if the AF demands were not too stringent.

Nice shot ... but the point I'm trying to make is that the AF of the 5D3 is way much better than the 7D and will result in more keepers.
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« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2013, 12:46:31 PM »
From J.R.:  Nice shot ... but the point I'm trying to make is that the AF of the 5D3 is way much better than the 7D and will result in more keepers..

Agree, but is there any doubt that the 7D2 will be given the 1DX / 5D3's awesome AF system?  Not for me.  I think it's a lock.

I'm not saying the 7D2 is getting two DIGIC chips or the 1DX's dedicated metering system, but I think the AF will be top of the line.  It's an action camera, so it needs great AF and they happen to have one ready to go.  Further, it will commonize the user experience for shooters who bounce between FF and APS-C bodies.

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« Reply #73 on: January 27, 2013, 12:51:10 PM »

Agree, but is there any doubt that the 7D2 will be given the 1DX / 5D3's awesome AF system?  Not for me.  I think it's a lock.


Considering Canon crippled the 6D to only 11 AF points with only 1 Xtype point, I don't think it is a given. As I mentioned in my earlier posts ... something somewhere will surely be missing.

1DX AF system in the 7D2 ... I'll believe it when I see it.
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« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2013, 12:56:27 PM »
hi . so what happened to that high megapixel ff camera that was going to be anounced ??

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