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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #105 on: January 27, 2013, 04:42:49 PM »

  • It continues to shock me that Canon is top of the line for lenses, AF, and ergonomics (in my opinion), yet it continues to have poor sensors compared to the competition.  I don't put too much faith in those DXO scores, but the dynamic range data out there, particularly in low ISO, gives compelling reason that Sony/Nikon sensors are a solid step ahead of Canon's.  Heck, in some of these tests we're seeing lower price point sensors beat the Canon counterparts (D600 trumping the 5D3, for instance).


How many of those complaining about Canon's "poor" sensors have done a real world comparison as opposed to reading lab reports?  I own a 5DII and a Rebel and recently rented a 5DIII and, together, a 6D and Nikon D600 and spent a few days switching between the D600 and 6D.  Not once did I think the image created by the D600 looked better than its 6D counterpart, (I tend to prefer the colours conjured up by Canon, and I'm inclined to attribute the greater sharpness of the Canon photos to the superiority of the Canon lenses, but who knows?), and I found the D600 a pain to use.  The Nikon sensor may have superior dynamic range, but I was able to restore detail to blown-out highlights in LR4 at least as well in the 6D as I was in the D600.  The D600 may allow for better detail retrieval at the opposite end of the spectrum, but that's not something I tend to do and in the couple of photos I tried the differences struck me as trivial.   Others may feel different, depending on how/what they shoot.  But I certainly didn't come away from the experience with sensor envy, let alone Nikon lens envy (as for Nikon's ergonomics...); rather, I just bought a 6D.   

(I have no comment on the relative virtues of current crop sensors; I used to own a Pentax K-5, which probably had the best sensor of any crop DSLR, slightly better in low light than that in my Rebel - the trouble is, you have to put up with inferior focusing, generally inferior lenses etc., etc.)

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #105 on: January 27, 2013, 04:42:49 PM »

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« Reply #106 on: January 27, 2013, 05:00:06 PM »
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<p><strong>What’s coming this year<br />

</strong>A very reliable source has told us what Canon has planned in 2013 as far as product launches go. This is looking to be a slower year for new Canon products, especially when compared to 2012.</p>
<p>None of this includes new Cinema EOS products.</p>
<p><strong>Cameras<br />

</strong>There will be 3 DSLRs launched in 2013, two of them will be “entry level” and one will be “mid level”. The two entry level cameras will probably be a new Rebel and a 70D.</p>
<p>The midlevel camera is probably the EOS 7D Mark II. This camera will get its own launch festivities sometime in the second half of 2013 we’re told.</p>
<p>There will also be one new EOS-M body, which is a pretty logical step forward for the platform.</p>
<p><strong>Lenses<br />

</strong>4 new EF lenses will be launched in 2013, there was no mention of exactly which lenses it would be. We all know the usual suspects, and everything points to a new 100-400L and that would sit nicely next to a new 7D.</p>
<p>We’re hoping to get a more detailed breakdown of the upcoming lenses soon.</p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>


Predictions:

100-400mm f/4.0-5/6 IS L - same image quality at f/4.0 as the old 70-200mm f2.8 L  IS Classic (better than the current version but worse than the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS)

50mm f/1.8 IS

35mm 1.4 L II (Sigma beater)

14-24mm f/2.8 L

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #107 on: January 27, 2013, 05:11:24 PM »
It would be nice to have an update on the 50mm f/1.4 - at least I am curious about it.

That lens was updated. Strange though, Canon is stamping "Sigma" on the side  ;D

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #108 on: January 27, 2013, 05:40:38 PM »

Predictions:

100-400mm f/4.0-5/6 IS L - same image quality at f/4.0 as the old 70-200mm f2.8 L  IS Classic (better than the current version but worse than the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS)

50mm f/1.8 IS

35mm 1.4 L II (Sigma beater)

14-24mm f/2.8 L


I can only see the 35L II coming true...the rest is La-La land delirium :)
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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #109 on: January 27, 2013, 05:43:57 PM »
It would be nice to have an update on the 50mm f/1.4 - at least I am curious about it.

That lens was updated. Strange though, Canon is stamping "Sigma" on the side  ;D

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« Reply #110 on: January 27, 2013, 05:47:41 PM »
I had an interresting talk with five Japanese tourists at the winners ceremony.
They had professional Nikon and Canon cameras and told me that Nikon will release a top Crop Camera in spring this year and update their Nikon 100-400 pedant (80-400 or so).

The Canon 7D2 will be priced much higher than an D300 successor, near the 5D3 .
The Camera will be an class for its own. A small 1Dx. Fast AF and high fps. A special product for all persons that will need high speed and do not have the money for an 1Dx.
The Canon successor of the 100-400 will be at 270.000-300000 Yen.

One of them said, that in Japanese photography chatrooms many think, that  Canon should buy some of the parts at thrid party companies. Today the Sony chip is much better than Canons.
And if Canon will not change their strategy, they will be soon in financial problems

Interesting. I mean there is no way those people likely have any inside information whatsoever. That said, those comments sound fairly reasonable all the same.

Well, this forum is contains rumors.
You are right, no one (or nearly no one) knows, what is fact and what Canon will really do.
But, sometimes you meet persons that live near the factory and know persons that work there (e.g. relatives,.... even if these products they produce are under NDA) or work for an company that delivers something for a new product. Or sometimes you accidently see a new product.... You know, what I mean.
So, if there are some tourists, that are working as photographers for an big japanese magazine, i tend to think, that these persons have more truth in their rumors, than others.

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #111 on: January 27, 2013, 05:53:48 PM »
Only 4 lenses?

Better include 45mm TS-E L
14-24L
50 1.4 IS
5D3, 8-15 f/4 L, 24L II, 35 f/2 IS, 24-70 f/2.8 II L, 50 f/1.4, 70-200 f/4 IS L, 85 f/1.8, 90 TS-E, 100 f/2.8 L, 135 f/2 L 600EX-RT x2, CS6, LR5

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #111 on: January 27, 2013, 05:53:48 PM »

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« Reply #112 on: January 27, 2013, 07:36:09 PM »

Predictions:

100-400mm f/4.0-5/6 IS L - same image quality at f/4.0 as the old 70-200mm f2.8 L  IS Classic (better than the current version but worse than the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS)

50mm f/1.8 IS

35mm 1.4 L II (Sigma beater)

14-24mm f/2.8 L


I can only see the 35L II coming true...the rest is La-La land delirium :)


Not at all. The new 50 IS is a hammerlock this-year lens. They are knocking those lenses out with regularity now.

The only question is what the max aperture will be -- 1.8 or 2.0.

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #113 on: January 27, 2013, 08:00:40 PM »

Predictions:

100-400mm f/4.0-5/6 IS L - same image quality at f/4.0 as the old 70-200mm f2.8 L  IS Classic (better than the current version but worse than the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS)

50mm f/1.8 IS

35mm 1.4 L II (Sigma beater)

14-24mm f/2.8 L


I can only see the 35L II coming true...the rest is La-La land delirium :)


Not at all. The new 50 IS is a hammerlock this-year lens. They are knocking those lenses out with regularity now.

The only question is what the max aperture will be -- 1.8 or 2.0.

- A

Also price is the question, for me..
It would by nice for about $500 :D
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« Reply #114 on: January 27, 2013, 08:03:33 PM »

Predictions:

100-400mm f/4.0-5/6 IS L - same image quality at f/4.0 as the old 70-200mm f2.8 L  IS Classic (better than the current version but worse than the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS)

50mm f/1.8 IS

35mm 1.4 L II (Sigma beater)

14-24mm f/2.8 L


I can only see the 35L II coming true...the rest is La-La land delirium :)


Not at all. The new 50 IS is a hammerlock this-year lens. They are knocking those lenses out with regularity now.

The only question is what the max aperture will be -- 1.8 or 2.0.

- A

Also price is the question, for me..
It would by nice for about $500 :D


No such luck.  Each of the three other IS refreshes were something like $700-800 at first offering.

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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #115 on: January 27, 2013, 08:08:19 PM »
 hope they use improved sensor also what about fat megapixel camera like rumored 1Dxs or D3

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« Reply #116 on: January 27, 2013, 08:09:42 PM »

Predictions:

100-400mm f/4.0-5/6 IS L - same image quality at f/4.0 as the old 70-200mm f2.8 L  IS Classic (better than the current version but worse than the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS)

50mm f/1.8 IS

35mm 1.4 L II (Sigma beater)

14-24mm f/2.8 L


I can only see the 35L II coming true...the rest is La-La land delirium :)


Not at all. The new 50 IS is a hammerlock this-year lens. They are knocking those lenses out with regularity now.

The only question is what the max aperture will be -- 1.8 or 2.0.

- A

My comment was limited to 50mm 1.8 with IS he lists...which is still zero chance.   The f/2 50mm IS  has been long rumored and will not be a huge surprise.
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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #117 on: January 27, 2013, 08:17:05 PM »
What would be the improvement in a new 50 f/1.4 have over the old one?
As an amateur the current lens works pretty well for me. Took a picture just yesterday. Very low light. Only source was a flatscreen. No NR applied.

I've seen about five 50mm 1.4's for sale on the local craigslist recently with broken AF motors.

An update with a true USM motor and better sharpness wide open would be welcome.

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« Reply #117 on: January 27, 2013, 08:17:05 PM »

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« Reply #118 on: January 27, 2013, 08:21:01 PM »
I try not to put too much stock into rumors this early in the game.  But it's nice to get some kind of idea where things MIGHT go in the year...

2012 was a big year for Canon, so I wouldn't be too surprised if they throttled back a bit for 2013.  Let us not forget...  The 5D Mark III won camera of the year from several big-name magazines and websites for 2012.  The 1DX and 1DC are damn fine cameras.  So with that, I'd be fine with Canon releasing some great low and mid-range bodies and some refreshed lenses for 2013.  It can't always be high-end every year.  I know people want that 'perfect' camera...  Which will never exist. 

I am not surprised that the big MP is not on the list.  I think it will be announced sometime during the year and will probably be available by spring/summer 2014.  The 1DX is a hella of a camera, but not really a 1Ds Mark III replacement.  Who needs 12fps for fashion and beauty work.

I think 2014 is going to be a HUGE year for Canon.  The big MP camera will be out of the gate first and a few months later, the 5D Mark IV with some tech of the big MP will be out.  Canon may have two cameras competing for yearly awards in 2014...
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« Reply #119 on: January 27, 2013, 08:29:54 PM »
Surely they wouldn't price it above the 6D?

Of course they would ...

Of course they wouldn't.

The 7DII will be cheaper than the 6D. That's for sure.

There's a reason the 6D is named '6D': to signify that it is positioned above the 7D.
The marketing message here is that a FF camera is a always a step up from a crop camera, regardless of specs.

This message is needed to assert the premium-ness of FF; without it, it's hard to charge a (hefty) premium for FF.

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« Reply #119 on: January 27, 2013, 08:29:54 PM »