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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #120 on: January 27, 2013, 08:34:32 PM »
I think 2014 is going to be a HUGE year for Canon.  The big MP camera will be out of the gate first and a few months later, the 5D Mark IV with some tech of the big MP will be out.  Canon may have two cameras competing for yearly awards in 2014...

I lost you when you said 5D mark iv in 2014...

So they release 5D3 just in 2012 and you predict a mark 4 in just two years in 2014? Just don't visit Vegas without supervision  :P
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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #120 on: January 27, 2013, 08:34:32 PM »

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« Reply #121 on: January 27, 2013, 09:34:02 PM »
I don't think a 7D II will be cheaper than a 6D.  Though I do think it will MSRP for less than the 5D III started out at.  My guess is around $2500, if it has 10 FPS and an AF system matching the 5D III's.  The 6D remember uses the more consumer grade body; fiberglass-type material.  The 7D II should come with a mag-alloy body like the 7D has now.  Remember that the 7D MSRP'ed at 1699.00. 

On another note, does anyone think that one of the 4 lenses could be a 135mm f/1.8L?  That would really be the only lens I'd be interested in.

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Surely they wouldn't price it above the 6D?

Of course they would ...

Of course they wouldn't.

The 7DII will be cheaper than the 6D. That's for sure.

There's a reason the 6D is named '6D': to signify that it is positioned above the 7D.
The marketing message here is that a FF camera is a always a step up from a crop camera, regardless of specs.

This message is needed to assert the premium-ness of FF; without it, it's hard to charge a (hefty) premium for FF.
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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #122 on: January 27, 2013, 09:35:00 PM »

The 7DII will be cheaper than the 6D. That's for sure ...

... This message is needed to assert the premium-ness of FF; without it, it's hard to charge a (hefty) premium for FF.

The 6D is nothing but a FF Rebel (entry level camera), while the 7D is a semi-pro camera several steps removed from a Rebel. I'm sure that there are many people who want/need an APS-C camera, like birders, who will pay extra to get what they want/need.

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« Reply #123 on: January 27, 2013, 09:44:03 PM »

On another note, does anyone think that one of the 4 lenses could be a 135mm f/1.8L?  That would really be the only lens I'd be interested in.

Hate to be the grinch, but there is no chance....the current 135L is the darling of the community and canon doesn't tinker with things that are doing well. They have other more pressing fish to fry...a long long list of fishes before they get to 135L.
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« Reply #124 on: January 27, 2013, 10:10:06 PM »

I don't think a 7D II will be cheaper than a 6D.  Though I do think it will MSRP for less than the 5D III started out at.  My guess is around $2500, if it has 10 FPS and an AF system matching the 5D III's.  The 6D remember uses the more consumer grade body; fiberglass-type material.  The 7D II should come with a mag-alloy body like the 7D has now.  Remember that the 7D MSRP'ed at 1699.00. 

IMHO the 7D2 will be cheaper because Canon, being Canon will cripple it. Also, I would guess that there is a prestige issue involved with the naming of the cameras - 1D, 5D, 6D and 7D. 

If Canon specs it the way people want - 1DX AF, 10FPS, 24MP, better sensor, better build, it would end up being a replacement of the 1D-IV which will surely be priced over and above the 5D3 (in the region of 4K+).

I feel that Canon might just dump the 7D series (or make minor upgrades) and come up with a completely new APS-C or APS-H format camera with the 2D/3D/4D "titles" available - The 1D-IV APS-H crowd has been really unhappy when Canon seemingly abandoned the APS-H format - maybe it will be back in a new avatar.
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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #125 on: January 27, 2013, 10:48:23 PM »
My guess is around $2500, if it has 10 FPS and an AF system matching the 5D III's. 

Yes ... but it won't.

Like many others, you are expecting the 7D to be a 1DIV replacement - with top-of-the-line AF, 10fps, etc..
Canon might come up with such a camera ... but this won't be the 7DII.

The whole point of 7D-series is to provide advanced specs at an affordable price.
So, one thing that we can be certain about the 7DII is that the price will remain basically the same.
This in turn means that the 7DII won't be spec'd much differently than the 7D.
There's only so much that Canon can squeeze into a $1700-1800 camera.

Again, the 7DII won't be a 1DIV replacement.
It will be a 7D replacement - with a better sensor, tweaked 19-point AF system, silent shutter, etc..
There's going to be a surprise feature of some sorts - like color-based AF tracking or some WiFi gizmo. 
Other than that, though, the 7DII will be a refined version of the 7D.
It won't somehow morph into a 1-series ... at a 4x lower price.

Anyway. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #126 on: January 27, 2013, 11:07:13 PM »
My guess is around $2500, if it has 10 FPS and an AF system matching the 5D III's. 

Yes ... but it won't.

Like many others, you are expecting the 7D to be a 1DIV replacement - with top-of-the-line AF, 10fps, etc..
Canon might come up with such a camera ... but this won't be the 7DII.

The whole point of 7D-series is to provide advanced specs at an affordable price.
So, one thing that we can be certain about the 7DII is that the price will remain basically the same.
This in turn means that the 7DII won't be spec'd much differently than the 7D.
There's only so much that Canon can squeeze into a $1700-1800 camera.

Again, the 7DII won't be a 1DIV replacement.
It will be a 7D replacement - with a better sensor, tweaked 19-point AF system, silent shutter, etc..
There's going to be a surprise feature of some sorts - like color-based AF tracking or some WiFi gizmo. 
Other than that, though, the 7DII will be a refined version of the 7D.
It won't somehow morph into a 1-series ... at a 4x lower price.

Anyway. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

This is my theory too. In fact I don't believe they'll even put the WiFi/GPS features in that the 6D got, purely because they'll have to do away with the built in flash - which to date is a FF only thing.

I reckon it'll be similarly priced to the 6D, maybe slightly cheaper with nothing really surprising feature wise - a modest increase in processing, MP count, AF and fps. Perhaps dual card slots.

Happy to be wrong in terms of the specs, would put it out of my pricerange which would be disappointing though.
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Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« Reply #126 on: January 27, 2013, 11:07:13 PM »

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« Reply #127 on: January 27, 2013, 11:11:13 PM »
What, no 5D4 yet ;D? What a bunch of slackers.

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« Reply #128 on: January 27, 2013, 11:36:05 PM »

The 7DII will be cheaper than the 6D. That's for sure ...

... This message is needed to assert the premium-ness of FF; without it, it's hard to charge a (hefty) premium for FF.

The 6D is nothing but a FF Rebel (entry level camera), while the 7D is a semi-pro camera several steps removed from a Rebel. I'm sure that there are many people who want/need an APS-C camera, like birders, who will pay extra to get what they want/need.

Like I've said before, it's nowhere close to a rebel. They'd have to take away the ergonomics, the magnesium body parts that it does have, the top LCD screen, the thumb wheel, adjustable kelvin, AFMA, etc etc. If you've owned a 7D before, it feels very very similar in size and weight. The button layout is more like the 60D, quality of the photos is closer to 5D mark III, and the AF is closer to the 5D mark II. The only ONE feature that it takes from a rebel series is the 1/4000th sec shutter speed, and that is ALL. You'd also have to throw a POS built-in flash to throw it below the pro level. Every other feature is brand new like the way the zoom button works, wifi, and gps. Entry level FF makes more sense as you can see it as a stripped down base model luxury car. But it's very far up from being a rebel.
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« Reply #129 on: January 28, 2013, 12:15:56 AM »
It will, I believe, be for less than the 6D.

Not necessarily, at least not the starting price. Canon's strategy is to use a ridiculously high release price, then wait until all early adopters suckers paid up, then lower the price, wait some again and repeat until the camera body is phased out. And there will be early 7d2 adopters because of the crop factor, €1000 more or less doesn't exactly matter for many people who are able to afford Canon tele primes.

I guess they can also afford the 1DX and wouldn't care about the latest crop cam

$2500ish and $5500ish are still rather different sums of money!

1DX has a LOT less reach than the 7D

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« Reply #130 on: January 28, 2013, 12:48:27 AM »
Not regretting getting the 5d mkiii now rather than wait for the 7d mk ii...  it will be priced a little above the 6d i think, give people the option ff/specs... just my 2 cent! :)
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« Reply #131 on: January 28, 2013, 01:36:39 AM »
Wake up Canon: We will have the 7D Mark II now and not in in a few month.

While the Canon are dreaming from Hollywood (expensive video cameras) Nikon is going to bring a D4X on the market and blow the Canon guys away from the professional sector.

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« Reply #132 on: January 28, 2013, 02:07:33 AM »
It will, I believe, be for less than the 6D.

Not necessarily, at least not the starting price. Canon's strategy is to use a ridiculously high release price, then wait until all early adopters suckers paid up, then lower the price, wait some again and repeat until the camera body is phased out. And there will be early 7d2 adopters because of the crop factor, €1000 more or less doesn't exactly matter for many people who are able to afford Canon tele primes.

I guess they can also afford the 1DX and wouldn't care about the latest crop cam

$2500ish and $5500ish are still rather different sums of money!

1DX has a LOT less reach than the 7D

1DX is a giant brick

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on all

points!

My problem with this hypothesis is that the expectations are for a 1D-IV spec camera for $ 2,500. It is just not going to happen. The 1D-IV spec camera is unlikely to be a 7D2.

I'm expecting only sensor updates to the 7D (maybe 1 stop of DR), WiFi, GPS alongwith minor tweaks on the AF.
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« Reply #132 on: January 28, 2013, 02:07:33 AM »

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« Reply #133 on: January 28, 2013, 02:08:58 AM »
Wake up Canon: We will have the 7D Mark II now and not in in a few month.

While the Canon are dreaming from Hollywood (expensive video cameras) Nikon is going to bring a D4X on the market and blow the Canon guys away from the professional sector.

Why can't we keep Nikon out of this?

Nikon was supposedly blowing Canon out of the professional sector with the d800 - didn't happen. Won't happen with the D4X either.
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« Reply #134 on: January 28, 2013, 02:19:47 AM »
these are just rumors... just check all the rumors from 2012, mostly the same as this: nothing more than speculation... I don't really understand why this is a CR2...

serious rumors will only surface a few days/weeks before releasing the new camera...

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« Reply #134 on: January 28, 2013, 02:19:47 AM »