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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« Reply #75 on: February 02, 2013, 01:41:07 PM »
This is so fun JR and Neuro are so out in the blue so it will be interesting so se how they shall explain them selt out of this situation
 


I don't know whether to laugh or cry? ???

meet me with a argumentation based on facts

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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
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« Reply #76 on: February 02, 2013, 01:45:59 PM »
This is so fun JR and Neuro are so out in the blue so it will be interesting so se how they shall explain them selt out of this situation
 


If this is your idea of fun then i can only assume you spread misinformation on purpose.

BTW I don't know whether to laugh or cry at your above post ???

missinformation?????? I can not help that you and other do not know the  basic  around time/ f-stop and exposure

Thanks ... I don't need your help
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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« Reply #77 on: February 02, 2013, 01:48:36 PM »
This is so fun JR and Neuro are so out in the blue so it will be interesting so se how they shall explain them selt out of this situation
 


I don't know whether to laugh or cry? ???

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ballony,
if you are to be credible you get to explain yourself

As I said before, been there, done that ... It's no use
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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2013, 01:52:15 PM »
I take it once more time
1.HTP at base iso , 100iso underexpose 1 stop = meteringa after 200iso = shorter time/ higher F-stop = halving the read out electrons = create a head room= fill the head room with a gain 100iso = headroom and now a new curve and rooling in the highlight smother.

2. 400 iso the head room is created by two stops , it means halving the hitting light twice to sensor= exposing after 400iso but iso gain after 200 iso = new curve and rooling in high lights

IF you JR and others have  run out of argumentation answers,  tell us, or do you understand  what bI have write above?


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« Reply #79 on: February 02, 2013, 02:24:35 PM »
no Im saying by exposure after 400 iso you have create a head room by 2 stops compare to 100iso
what is so difficult to understand Neuro! = exposure after 400 iso = halving the hitting lights twice compare to 100iso


Hypothetical example: I shoot jpg. I am taking a picture of a forest scene. I am in Av mode, and I set f/8 to obtain the desired DoF, and I chose ISO 400 to get a 1/100 s shutter speed at metered exposure to avoid camera shake, because I foolishly left my tripod at home. Please note, I couldn't care less about what exposure settings would be at ISO 100, 50, or 3200, that's tangential and irrelevant - I choose f/8 and ISO 400 for the reasons I stated.  I take a shot, look at the review image, and see blinking highlight alerts where I want detail of the sun-dappled forest floor. I've read that HTP can preserve my highlights.

If that scenario is confusing, I'll summarize - with HTP off, I set the camera in Av mode, f/8, ISO 400, and the metered exposure gave a 1/100 s shutter speed.

Answer these questions about what happens when I set HTP to Enable:

1) Does my selected aperture of f/8 change?
2) Does the camera-selected shutter speed of 1/100 s change?
3) Does the amount of light hitting the sensor change?

Please, no hand-waving, no 'please read my earlier posts', no repeating what you've posted before, no referring to what may happen at some other ISO setting that I didn't select and don't care about - just answer those three, simple questions with a yes or a no.
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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2013, 02:33:55 PM »

Yeay yeah no answer, which I could expect from you

have you noticed one thing, Neuro is quiet, with thoughtfulness , little bit of thinking he  probably understands now he is wrong, how about you?



Sometimes no answer is the best answer. I could enter into another debate of "facts" but for what point and purpose? To be at the receiving end of more insults from you? No thank you!

Please continue living in your la la land of HTP and cutting the photons in half. In the meantime, I'll do something useful.

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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2013, 02:36:36 PM »
no Im saying by exposure after 400 iso you have create a head room by 2 stops compare to 100iso
what is so difficult to understand Neuro! = exposure after 400 iso = halving the hitting lights twice compare to 100iso


Hypothetical example: I shoot jpg. I am taking a picture of a forest scene. I am in Av mode, and I set f/8 to obtain the desired DoF, and I chose ISO 400 to get a 1/100 s shutter speed at metered exposure to avoid camera shake, because I foolishly left my tripod at home. Please note, I couldn't care less about what exposure settings would be at ISO 100, 50, or 3200, that's tangential and irrelevant - I choose f/8 and ISO 400 for the reasons I stated.  I take a shot, look at the review image, and see blinking highlight alerts where I want detail of the sun-dappled forest floor. I've read that HTP can preserve my highlights.

If that scenario is confusing, I'll summarize - with HTP off, I set the camera in Av mode, f/8, ISO 400, and the metered exposure gave a 1/100 s shutter speed.

Answer these questions about what happens when I set HTP to Enable:

1) Does my selected aperture of f/8 change?
2) Does the camera-selected shutter speed of 1/100 s change?
3) Does the amount of light hitting the sensor change?

Please, no hand-waving, no 'please read my earlier posts', no repeating what you've posted before, no referring to what may happen at some other ISO setting that I didn't select and don't care about - just answer those three, simple questions with a yes or a no.

You're tough as nails brother ... but I know a lost cause when I see one. All the very best
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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2013, 02:36:36 PM »

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« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2013, 02:44:49 PM »
no Im saying by exposure after 400 iso you have create a head room by 2 stops compare to 100iso
what is so difficult to understand Neuro! = exposure after 400 iso = halving the hitting lights twice compare to 100iso


Hypothetical example: I shoot jpg. I am taking a picture of a forest scene. I am in Av mode, and I set f/8 to obtain the desired DoF, and I chose ISO 400 to get a 1/100 s shutter speed at metered exposure to avoid camera shake, because I foolishly left my tripod at home. Please note, I couldn't care less about what exposure settings would be at ISO 100, 50, or 3200, that's tangential and irrelevant - I choose f/8 and ISO 400 for the reasons I stated.  I take a shot, look at the review image, and see blinking highlight alerts where I want detail of the sun-dappled forest floor. I've read that HTP can preserve my highlights.

If that scenario is confusing, I'll summarize - with HTP off, I set the camera in Av mode, f/8, ISO 400, and the metered exposure gave a 1/100 s shutter speed.

Answer these questions about what happens when I set HTP to Enable:

1) Does my selected aperture of f/8 change?
2) Does the camera-selected shutter speed of 1/100 s change?
3) Does the amount of light hitting the sensor change?

Please, no hand-waving, no 'please read my earlier posts', no repeating what you've posted before, no referring to what may happen at some other ISO setting that I didn't select and don't care about - just answer those three, simple questions with a yes or a no.

You're tough as nails brother ... but I know a lost cause when I see one. All the very best

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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2013, 02:52:28 PM »
no Im saying by exposure after 400 iso you have create a head room by 2 stops compare to 100iso
what is so difficult to understand Neuro! = exposure after 400 iso = halving the hitting lights twice compare to 100iso


Hypothetical example: I shoot jpg. I am taking a picture of a forest scene. I am in Av mode, and I set f/8 to obtain the desired DoF, and I chose ISO 400 to get a 1/100 s shutter speed at metered exposure to avoid camera shake, because I foolishly left my tripod at home. Please note, I couldn't care less about what exposure settings would be at ISO 100, 50, or 3200, that's tangential and irrelevant - I choose f/8 and ISO 400 for the reasons I stated.  I take a shot, look at the review image, and see blinking highlight alerts where I want detail of the sun-dappled forest floor. I've read that HTP can preserve my highlights.

If that scenario is confusing, I'll summarize - with HTP off, I set the camera in Av mode, f/8, ISO 400, and the metered exposure gave a 1/100 s shutter speed.

Answer these questions about what happens when I set HTP to Enable:

1) Does my selected aperture of f/8 change?
2) Does the camera-selected shutter speed of 1/100 s change?
3) Does the amount of light hitting the sensor change?

Please, no hand-waving, no 'please read my earlier posts', no repeating what you've posted before, no referring to what may happen at some other ISO setting that I didn't select and don't care about - just answer those three, simple questions with a yes or a no.

You're tough as nails brother ... but I know a lost cause when I see one. All the very best

+1 J.R.

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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2013, 03:05:51 PM »
have you noticed one thing, Mikael is quiet, with thoughtfulness , little bit of thinking he  probably understands now he is wrong
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« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2013, 03:14:33 PM »
have you noticed one thing, Mikael is quiet, with thoughtfulness , little bit of thinking he  probably understands now he is wrong

Hahaha ... Thanks Neuro ... I may be able to sleep tonight after all ;D

But what's to stop him from making a comeback with the familiar - "you do not understand" / "you have no clue" BS?
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« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2013, 03:18:32 PM »
But what's to stop him from making a comeback with the familiar - "you do not understand" / "you have no clue" BS?

That would indicate to me that he found those three yes/no questions too difficult to answer…   ::)
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« Reply #87 on: February 02, 2013, 04:47:02 PM »
have you noticed one thing, Mikael is quiet, with thoughtfulness , little bit of thinking he  probably understands now he is wrong

OMFG!

I'll forward you my doctor's bill, Neuro. I think I broke a rib laughing...

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« Reply #88 on: February 02, 2013, 05:59:36 PM »

Yeay yeah no answer, which I could expect from you

have you noticed one thing, Neuro is quiet, with thoughtfulness , little bit of thinking he  probably understands now he is wrong, how about you?



Sometimes no answer is the best answer. I could enter into another debate of "facts" but for what point and purpose? To be at the receiving end of more insults from you? No thank you!

Please continue living in your la la land of HTP and cutting the photons in half. In the meantime, I'll do something useful.

Cutting photons.. OH MY SIDES!

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« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2013, 06:16:43 PM »
halving the amount of hitting photons.
any one still laughing

so here ist the questions again
we start from the beginning so all can understand ,  and strait answers please
NEURO,  HTP at base iso (100iso )  what is that ? how does it work? how do you get it?


and to all laughing people here is where the all started http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=12437.30
read NEUROS answer.He didn't have a clue how HTP works at 100iso , head-room, natural head -room at 200iso, 400iso etc, AND from 100iso HTP the amount of hitting /striking photons are halved compare too 100iso with out HTP

Still laughing. Don't care.

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Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2013, 06:16:43 PM »