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ShotsForPassion

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Re: micro AF-adjustment is over-estimated...
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2010, 04:32:51 AM »
I've spent years using my 20D without it and never missed it.
And now I'm using my 7D without AF adjustment.
It's nice to have it, but I don't feel the need to use it.

I respect your opinion :)
Anyway, If you don't feel the need to use it, maybe it's because you've always been lucky with your lens :)
Or maybe you never do closeup/macro photography. :)
I do closeup photography, and I'm not always been lucky wit my lens. I have a sigma lens that back-focus "reliably" in certain condition. So I believe that AF microadjust can help, in my situation.  ;)

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Re: micro AF-adjustment is over-estimated...
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2010, 04:32:51 AM »

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2010, 04:40:30 AM »

My 50D has micro adjustment, but I tested all my lenses (to the best of my ability) and they all seem fine. Even though I don't need to use the feature now it's a matter of confidence for me to know that if I buy a new body and it doesn't match my lenses, at least there is something I can do to try and improve the situation.

I appreciate that micro adjustment is extra useful to those who buy second hand or third party lenses, but maybe that's not something that Canon wants to hear when we email them. For all we know they want to get rid of it because it encourages people to try Sigma lenses!

jius

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2010, 05:11:02 AM »
Interesting to see the comment from CR on the front page: "Canon has proven in the last 12-24 months that they are listening to customers." Yes they have, but in two ways 1) Took on board customer requests, but releasing it as a new camera and not firmware update (500D vs 550D).  2) Only releasing a firmware update when they had no other choice to release new body for more $$$ or cos they felt they had to to keep order of bodies to justify price (7D vs 5DmkII).

Overall they listen to customers only when the $$ chi-ching! rings in their heads. So I would guess the microadjustment will be released as desired, but in the form of a 65D/70D, next time round, probably giving some BS about 'learning from their mistakes'. But I really hope I am wrong and they add this feature.

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Re: micro AF-adjustment is over-estimated...
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2010, 05:26:12 AM »
Or maybe you never do closeup/macro photography. :)

Actually I do a lot of macro photography - but I almost never use auto focus for it.
For me it's easier and faster to use manual focus in these situations.

YMMV.

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2010, 06:31:07 AM »
@LukeS
<<Understand that the camera hasn't actually released yet, and the specifications can change before it actually arrives at retailers.  I totally understand your disappointment but lets not kill our chickens before they hatch.>>

@ELK
<<The pre-production version does not, but we do not know if the production model will.>>

Hmm...  a premature delivery... may be... ;) ;D
Are they going to reconsider the ‘9AF points’, ‘plastic body’, ‘5.3fps’ etc??    >:(:'(
« Last Edit: August 31, 2010, 06:38:49 AM by bob »

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2010, 09:18:49 AM »
Interesting to see the comment from CR on the front page: "Canon has proven in the last 12-24 months that they are listening to customers." Yes they have, but in two ways 1) Took on board customer requests, but releasing it as a new camera and not firmware update (500D vs 550D).  2) Only releasing a firmware update when they had no other choice to release new body for more $$$ or cos they felt they had to to keep order of bodies to justify price (7D vs 5DmkII).

Overall they listen to customers only when the $$ chi-ching! rings in their heads. So I would guess the microadjustment will be released as desired, but in the form of a 65D/70D, next time round, probably giving some BS about 'learning from their mistakes'. But I really hope I am wrong and they add this feature.

So, you don't like it when Canon releases new firmwares. You don't like it when Canon releases new cameras either. Very constructive comment, nothing more to say!

CanonMonkey

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2010, 12:36:02 PM »
They aren't going to add it. This is the reply I got from the Canon Support Centre:

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Thank you for contacting Canon.

With reference to your enquiry regarding the EOS 60D, please be advised that the EOS 60D is not a follow-up of the EOS 50D, but the start of a new line of cameras. The line-up from EOS 30D, EOS 40D and EOS 50D were cameras of a semi-professional character, however the EOS 50D is going to be the last in this line. The new semi-professional camera that Canon offers is the EOS 7D.

This is why the EOS 60D has no micro adjustment function; it is a complete new camera to fill in the gap between the EOS 550D and the EOS 7D.

I hope this information is of use to you. If you have any other queries, or need any other information, please do not hesitate to reply directly to this email.

Translation - We've decided to gouge mid range users. If you want any high end features buy the 7D.

Thanks Canon.  >:(

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2010, 12:36:02 PM »

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2010, 01:28:44 PM »
Sent my email to canon for microadjustment in 60D....got below response...

Thank you for your E-mail inquiry regarding Canon EOS Digital Cameras.

It is only through our customers comments and suggestions that we are able to manufacture quality products that our customers will be able to use on a consistent basis. The fact that you took the time to write to us is indeed appreciated. Please be assured that your comments have been forwarded  to the appropriate Department for their information and review.

Should you require further assistance, please feel free to email us or visit our customer support website at http://www.canon.ca



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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2010, 01:57:01 PM »
They aren't going to add it. This is the reply I got from the Canon Support Centre:

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Thank you for contacting Canon.

With reference to your enquiry regarding the EOS 60D, please be advised that the EOS 60D is not a follow-up of the EOS 50D, but the start of a new line of cameras. The line-up from EOS 30D, EOS 40D and EOS 50D were cameras of a semi-professional character, however the EOS 50D is going to be the last in this line. The new semi-professional camera that Canon offers is the EOS 7D.

This is why the EOS 60D has no micro adjustment function; it is a complete new camera to fill in the gap between the EOS 550D and the EOS 7D.

I hope this information is of use to you. If you have any other queries, or need any other information, please do not hesitate to reply directly to this email.

Translation - We've decided to gouge mid range users. If you want any high end features buy the 7D.

Thanks Canon.  >:(

I wonder if that is actually the official Canon line, or whether the support person has just been reading internet forums :) Canon certainly don't seem to have one voice on the subject.

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2010, 01:58:29 PM »
I have a 7D and a 5DM2, and I now only use microadjustment for diagnostic purposes.  When I get a new lens, I make sure that the sharpest AF point is with an adjustment of zero.  If it requires microadjustment, I either return the lens or send it for warranty repair.  I was also able to figure out that the autofocus on my 7D was defective, because microadjustment resulted in wild variations in accuracy (sometimes it was +5, sometimes -15, same lens, same distance).  Needless to say, I had my 7D repaired under warranty.

Without microadjustment, it is harder to tell whether the lens is a tiny bit softer than it should be -- although comparing shots with contrast-based autofocus (i.e. live-view) with shots done with phase autofocus can provide a lot of the same information.  The amazingly sharp focus I got with my 7D using contrast based autofocus was how I knew that the phase autofocus on my 7D was defective, and that it wasn't a problem with the lens.

So to the various people posting that microadjustment isn't really necessary, thank you for bringing up that question.  It is still a function I want to have, but I'm not really sure it is a function I need to have (particularly if I'm careful to inspect and return any new lens that shows focus errors).

ShotsForPassion

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2010, 02:31:40 PM »
Sent my email to canon for microadjustment in 60D....got below response...

Thank you for your E-mail inquiry regarding Canon EOS Digital Cameras.

It is only through our customers comments and suggestions that we are able to manufacture quality products that our customers will be able to use on a consistent basis. The fact that you took the time to write to us is indeed appreciated. Please be assured that your comments have been forwarded  to the appropriate Department for their information and review.

Should you require further assistance, please feel free to email us or visit our customer support website at http://www.canon.ca


I've also sent my email to canon, and I've got a similar response :-|

cendrier

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2010, 02:49:43 PM »
Hey there,

Just registered to post this answer I got from a Canon guy  :

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Dear xxx :

Thank you for contacting Canon product support.  We value you as a Canon
customer and appreciate the opportunity to assist you with the EOS 60D.

We are sorry to inform you that the EOS 60D does not have AF
microadjustment
.  The 60D is more of a camera for Digital Rebel users
that are looking to upgrade than a successor of the 50D.  I suggest that
you consider purchasing the EOS 7D
.  You can read more about the 7D at
the link below.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_7d

We hope this information is helpful to you.  Please let us know if we
can be of any further assistance with the EOS 60D.

Sincerely,

Erik
Technical Support Representative

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2010, 05:20:38 PM »
I just sent an email to the german press-represantative, asking why they had the feature removed. still waiting for an answer.

jius

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2010, 05:35:22 PM »
Interesting to see the comment from CR on the front page: "Canon has proven in the last 12-24 months that they are listening to customers." Yes they have, but in two ways 1) Took on board customer requests, but releasing it as a new camera and not firmware update (500D vs 550D).  2) Only releasing a firmware update when they had no other choice to release new body for more $$$ or cos they felt they had to to keep order of bodies to justify price (7D vs 5DmkII).

Overall they listen to customers only when the $$ chi-ching! rings in their heads. So I would guess the microadjustment will be released as desired, but in the form of a 65D/70D, next time round, probably giving some BS about 'learning from their mistakes'. But I really hope I am wrong and they add this feature.

So, you don't like it when Canon releases new firmwares. You don't like it when Canon releases new cameras either. Very constructive comment, nothing more to say!

Think you are getting me wrong! I would love to see firmware releases and wish there were more, but what I expect and has happened is that Canon seems to follow the $ rather than the customer. 500D was a classic example. Did Canon release a firmware to give manual controls as many a petition and customer asked? NO! - they just put it all in a new camera. Could they still produce a firmware for manual controls - hell yeah!. Do I think Canon will do this just 'for the love of their customers' NO!

So my point was that requests/petitions/emails/phone calls to Canon by customers to have Microadjustment added to 60D may very well be answered by Canon, but in the form of a newer model at a later date, as in the 500D case I mentioned. It would be great to see Canon do a firmware update prior to release (as a very possible 60D purchaser myself), however if they do, it will be for the $ not for the love of the customer which was my point. They may listen to customers, but only give a little here and there to keep you hooked on Canon and looking for the next big thing that may or may not come - kind of like the Crack Dealers of the Camera industry. But perhaps with Nikon upping their game perhaps Canon may have to re-think a little.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2010, 05:37:16 PM by jius »

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2010, 06:42:45 PM »
You know, I always wondered why you actually need AF microadjustment. Yes, I know the ffects and I actually got a lens or two that needed that adjustment. But heck, the focusing system measueres trough the lens, if the focus is off it should drive it until the sensors say it's the sharpest possible.

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Re: The 60D Needs AF Microadjustment
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2010, 06:42:45 PM »